Discrimination Bias:5-21-05 Rogers & Hamerstein block cast from having a Black Huck Finn & White Slave Jim

dmcowen674

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The New American Discrimination, only in reverse.

The bastid fired all the white staff the day he took Office and replaced them with his Black buddies.

Speaks for itself:

3-30-2005 Jury Says New Orleans Black DA Guilty of Reverse Discrimination Bias

New Orleans' first black district attorney discriminated against 43 whites when he fired them en masse and replaced them with blacks upon taking office in 2003, a federal jury decided Wednesday.
 

bersl2

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This was particularily stupid of him, because IIRC whites greatly supported him over other candidates.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: bersl2
This was particularily stupid of him, because IIRC whites greatly supported him over other candidates.

Not anymore.

Louisiana Laws are strange (they go by some French Napoleon Laws) and from what it sounds like this guy still gets to keep his job.

He should be thrown out of Office or re-called for breach of service and a new Emergency Election held immediately.

Also he said he would appeal the conviction forever.


 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: mhillary
What are the laws exactly??

Louisiana law, a short history lesson - How the Code Napoleon makes Louisiana law different

Louisiana law is different than all the other 49 states.

Our system of law in Louisiana has its origins with a short French emperor. To give Bonaparte the credit he deserves, he was not only a brilliant general, he was a brilliant administrator. To be able to govern an empire, he understood a uniform system of law had to be in place. He therefore took existing law, which was largely based on ancient Roman law, and codified it. That is, he put all the law into writing so it could be understood by everyone.

So how are the other forty-nine states different? They all have laws based on English common law. The common law is a system of law that is based on court precedent. Laws and statutes are interpreted, and the ruling of one judge may influence or even control the ruling of another judge.

The Code Napoleon takes the civilian law approach. Civilian law is based on scholarly research and the drafting of legal code which is passed into law by the legislative branch. It is then the judge's job to interpret that intent more than to follow judicial precedent.

Louisiana law is different because in 1821 it was a very forward-thinking system of justice. But don't make the mistake of thinking that laws based on the Code Napoleon are outdated.

When given a chance to form a system of laws, many new governments have decided to base their system on the very same Napoleonic Code that Louisiana adopted. That was the case with Quebec, Iceland, Norway, Denmark, Spain, Portugal, Greece, and many Latin American countries.


 

SeminoleMarine

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Louisiana Laws are strange (they go by some French Napoleon Laws) and from what it sounds like this guy still gets to keep his job.

He should be thrown out of Office or re-called for breach of service and a new Emergency Election held immediately.

Also he said he would appeal the conviction forever.
I agree, what I find funny is that he said he did not know the color of the people he was firing.

here is an exerpt from another forum explaining why he keeps his job, seems he wasn't sued personally:

>>>but it is also unfortunately a bad day for the City of New Orleans. As I understand the case, he was sued in his capacity as the District Attorney, which means that the judgment will not be against him personally, but will really be against Orleans Parish and be paid for by funds/seizure of assets from Orleans Parish. I'm sure it will be appealed and this will likely be settled before the appellate courts make a decision, but the City can not afford to pay a $3 million judgment if this ruling stands.

Also, the normal rule in civil litigation is that you can not seize government property to satisfy a judgment. However, in this kind of case government property could be seized. The speculation is that the Judge will not allow city property to be seized and will suspend the effect of the Judgment until the appeal is decided.<<<
 

Zebo

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New Orleans is the most corrupt city in the most corrupt state in the united states. This is the same place Cops formed hit squads working for the mob, deliverd drugs, same place just about every politician get a federal indictment for money laundering, fraud, kickbacks etc...

That ruling is extrememly low for 53 people. 1.8 million??? I think the 12 black secret sevice agents Dennys refused to serve back in 90's was 1000 times that amount.
 

SeminoleMarine

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Originally posted by: Zebo
New Orleans is the most corrupt city in the most corrupt state in the united states.

I am from New Orleans and the sad thing is I can't even get mad at you or dispute what you just wrote. On top of being corrupt politically, it is also the worst place to send your kids to school. :( :brokenheart:
 

Zebo

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Ya no offense great state with good people but you all need more accountability somehow. I used to go to NO and LA when stationed in pensacola every weekend for fishing, drinking..general mayham.:p
 

SeminoleMarine

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True, something needs to be done. As long as the people keep the same familiar names in place, nothing will change. The mentality needs to change, the voting along racial and political lines also needs to change. We got a good start with the new Mayor, but with everyone around him still the same old familiar faces, little progress has been made. Here's to hope and a bright future, although it is very cloudy at the moment.
 

loup garou

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Originally posted by: Zebo
New Orleans is the most corrupt city in the most corrupt state in the united states. This is the same place Cops formed hit squads working for the mob, deliverd drugs, same place just about every politician get a federal indictment for money laundering, fraud, kickbacks etc...
Ah, how I miss it. :p
Originally posted by: SeminoleMarine
...it is also the worst place to send your kids to public school. :( :brokenheart:
Fixed.
 

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1815 plus James Monroe's other Monroe doctrine. Does anybody know of a good source in New Orleans or Lousiana, that covers the second signoff of the Louisiana Purchase in 1815 when Monroe, sec. of state, got Louis XVIII to sign off on the defunct Bonapartist deal with Jefferson, from 1803??? Only one of my American History Profs, admitted that we didn't get Louisiana in 1803. After Bonie lost his armee in the Russian Winter, the great powers called him a usurper, and all of his treaties, including the one with Jefferson, null and void. Apparently, both delegations travelled to France, on the U. S. S. Constellation, sister ship, to "old ironsides". I think that maybe some of the cajins are up on this bit of arcane history. This thread seems to know something of nineteenth cent. Louisiana Politics. Thanx.
 

dmcowen674

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Discrimination is alive and well and not just for Gays anymore:

5-21-2005 'Huck Finn' Copyright Holder Blocks Cast

GLENELG, Md. - A black Huck Finn and a white Jim might be OK for a high school production of Mark Twain's classic tale ? but those performances had to be edited out of a C-Span talent show after the copyright holder objected to the cross-casting.

Jay Frisby, a black student who played Huck, and Nick Lehan, a white student who played Jim, taped their performance of the song "Muddy Water" for "Close Up," a weekly show that highlights high school excellence.

When the program aired Friday, the two Glenelg Country School seniors were introduced, but viewers were told that "Close Up" could not show their performance because of "copyright restrictions."

Rodgers & Hammerstein organization, which holds the license to the play

"In the books, Jim is a runaway slave. He is clearly in the novel an African-American man. And Huck is a free white man ? that is central to the story. To ignore that component or to comment on it by switching is not faithful to the story."

Frisby's father, Washington attorney Russell Frisby, said he was appalled by the decision.

"The only rationale for it is that someone in New York believes Huck Finn can't be played by an African-American. I thought we were past the days of 'whites only' clauses," the elder Frisby said.
 

PatboyX

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you cant really descriminate "in reverse."
while i understand the point...i hate stupid language.
 

UglyCasanova

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Originally posted by: SeminoleMarine
Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: SeminoleMarine
...it is also the worst place to send your kids to public school. :( :brokenheart:
Fixed.

Thanks, I should have specified. Still sad though.

Hmm, I went to public schools when I lived in Slidell and they weren't too bad. I was in the gifted program and I have to say that they pushed the kids a lot harder there than when I moved to OKC (although in OKC they focused more on creativity, and the schools and area in general was a lot nicer). But then again that is Slidell. I'm sure the schools actually in NO are horrible.
 

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"But when you're dealing with a theatrical work and race or ethnicity is a key factor, many authors or playwrights feel strongly that ethnicity has to be reflected in the actors who portray the characters," he said.

"In the books, Jim is a runaway slave. He is clearly in the novel an African-American man. And Huck is a free white man ? that is central to the story. To ignore that component or to comment on it by switching is not faithful to the story."

And the representative of the copyright holder makes a valid point.

Just as the copyright holder of "Porgy and Bess" should object to using non-African Americans in key roles of "Porgy and Bess".

It changes the essential meaning of the story.
 

venk

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I can't believe the Huck Finn copyright is still active. I thought there was a 75 year limit.
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: venk
I can't believe the Huck Finn copyright is still active. I thought there was a 75 year limit.


I think that this copyright is for a play based off of the book, not for the book itself.
 

classy

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Two things, the black DA didn't do anything that whites haven't done and will contunue to do everyday. So your outcry is a joke. Two I see no problem with the block. If the play is based on the book and the central theme of that book is based on the race of the characters I don't see that as discrimination at all. Especially considering the book, it is paramount that they maintain the races of the chracters. Look at the this way, suppose they made a play White Fang and the play made the dog a poodle. It would totally distort the book and wouldn't make sense. Political correctness has gone to far IMO.
 

daniel1113

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So, since other people have done the same thing, this is ok? Give me a break.

As for the play business, I see no problem. Rodgers & Hammerstein own the rights to the script, and they can do whatever they want with it. Plus, there's nothing worse than the perversion of a great work in the name of "art."