Discrimination based on appearance...

[klah]

Originally posted by: OBW96
You pick your religion...they should be able to fire you for that.

It is protected under the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: OBW96
You pick your religion...they should be able to fire you for that.

I don't agree. Religion is one of the few "chooseable" traits that is deeply ingrained in our psyche, our personal history, and our lifestyle. It is something that is often with us from birth. I don't think that your religion, given that it doesn't interfere with your ability to do your work, should have any bearing on your employability.

 

[mattocs]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: OBW96
You pick your religion...they should be able to fire you for that.

I don't agree. Religion is one of the few "chooseable" traits that is deeply ingrained in our psyche, our personal history, and our lifestyle. It is something that is often with us from birth. I don't think that your religion, given that it doesn't interfere with your ability to do your work, should have any bearing on your employability.

Personal histroy? Like everyone in my family is overweight...?

If one smells bad because they don't shower, that is one thing. If someone is moribidly obese that they can't walk, that is one thing.-- fire them

But just because someone is 'fat' does not mean they cannot do a job better than someone who is not overweight. I am overweight, but I have worked in many physicaly chalanging jobs, and I did them great.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: OBW96

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: OBW96
You pick your religion...they should be able to fire you for that.

I don't agree. Religion is one of the few "chooseable" traits that is deeply ingrained in our psyche, our personal history, and our lifestyle. It is something that is often with us from birth. I don't think that your religion, given that it doesn't interfere with your ability to do your work, should have any bearing on your employability.

Personal histroy? Like everyone in my family is overweight...?

If one smells bad because they don't shower, that is one thing. If someone is moribidly obese that they can't walk, that is one thing.-- fire them

But just because someone is 'fat' does not mean they cannot do a job better than someone who is not overweight. I am overweight, but I have worked in many physicaly chalanging jobs, and I did them great.

Yeah, but let's face it.

Appearance counts. Everybody can play all lovey dovey like it doesn't.

But it does and always will.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: OBW96

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: OBW96
You pick your religion...they should be able to fire you for that.

I don't agree. Religion is one of the few "chooseable" traits that is deeply ingrained in our psyche, our personal history, and our lifestyle. It is something that is often with us from birth. I don't think that your religion, given that it doesn't interfere with your ability to do your work, should have any bearing on your employability.

Personal histroy? Like everyone in my family is overweight...?

If one smells bad because they don't shower, that is one thing. If someone is moribidly obese that they can't walk, that is one thing.-- fire them

But just because someone is 'fat' does not mean they cannot do a job better than someone who is not overweight. I am overweight, but I have worked in many physicaly chalanging jobs, and I did them great.

If you had read my original post I said in situations where you would be dealing with the public, for instance, if you were a secretary. Im not talking about jobs where you are stocking something, or no one has to ever see you.

 

[SVT Cobra]

no

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
no

So, if I apply for a job as a salesman for a company, and I have facial tattoes and piercings the company should be forced to hire me despite the fact that many people may not want to even give me the time of day based on my appearance?

 

[DrPizza]

It's retarded to think that an employer should be allowed to hire/fire anyone for any reason:
example: pensions. Pensions don't have to be funded equally each year... employers are allowed to put very little in the first umpteen years, then load them up the last few. So, you have a contract that says when you retire, your pension will be XXXXXX number of dollars. You work until you're 63, going to retire at 65, and your employer fires you, because they don't want to contribute the majority of the XXXXXX dollars that they still have left to pay.

But, on the basis of appearance, when the company can prove a vested interest in how you look, then sure, they should be able to fire you.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
It's retarded to think that an employer should be allowed to hire/fire anyone for any reason:
example: pensions. Pensions don't have to be funded equally each year... employers are allowed to put very little in the first umpteen years, then load them up the last few. So, you have a contract that says when you retire, your pension will be XXXXXX number of dollars. You work until you're 63, going to retire at 65, and your employer fires you, because they don't want to contribute the majority of the XXXXXX dollars that they still have left to pay.

But, on the basis of appearance, when the company can prove a vested interest in how you look, then sure, they should be able to fire you.

Including things such as being overweight, or simply VERY fvcking un-attractive? (Something like crooked/missing teeth?)

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
It's retarded to think that an employer should be allowed to hire/fire anyone for any reason:
example: pensions. Pensions don't have to be funded equally each year... employers are allowed to put very little in the first umpteen years, then load them up the last few. So, you have a contract that says when you retire, your pension will be XXXXXX number of dollars. You work until you're 63, going to retire at 65, and your employer fires you, because they don't want to contribute the majority of the XXXXXX dollars that they still have left to pay.

But, on the basis of appearance, when the company can prove a vested interest in how you look, then sure, they should be able to fire you.

Yeah, but that happens all the time.

I have friends that are CFOs of fortune 500 companies. And when we talk business its always about how pensions are killing their bottom line and they lay people off because of it. Its just too dang expensive.

Nothing personal. Just business.

 

[markgm]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: OBW96
You pick your religion...they should be able to fire you for that.

I don't agree. Religion is one of the few "chooseable" traits that is deeply ingrained in our psyche, our personal history, and our lifestyle. It is something that is often with us from birth. I don't think that your religion, given that it doesn't interfere with your ability to do your work, should have any bearing on your employability.

I probably should agree with you being Catholic and all, but working in IT I've seen it too many times when some "religious" people couldn't (or wouldn't) be on call over the weekend because of religious beliefs. I agree that it *shouldn't* interfere, but too many people play the religion card in my opinion, and I don't think it's the truely religious with the problem.

 

[zendari]

You should be able to not hire/fire anyone for anything.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: zendari
You should be able to not hire/fire anyone for anything.

:thumbsup:

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: spidey07
Yes. They can and should be able to discriminate.

Happens all the time to ugly and fat people.

And they sue someone because of it, and usually win.

Doesn't make it right. What next? I didn't get hired because I had a pimple?

IMHO a company should be able to hire/fire anybody regardless of anything.

I agree to an extent, but thats not what the law says.

What law?

I defy ANYONE here to provide a local, state or federal code banning discrimination based on physical appearence.

There is NONE.

Yes, people have sued over it. Some have wrongly won, MOST have rightly lost.

You can sue for ANYTHING. Just because someone sues for it does NOT make it illegal.

The ONLY codified protections against discrimination are religion, sex, gender, race, disability and national origin. That's IT. Some (very few) local areas have added laws for sexual preference. NONE have laws banning discrimination based on appearance.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: spidey07
Yes. They can and should be able to discriminate.

Happens all the time to ugly and fat people.

And they sue someone because of it, and usually win.

Doesn't make it right. What next? I didn't get hired because I had a pimple?

IMHO a company should be able to hire/fire anybody regardless of anything.

I agree to an extent, but thats not what the law says.

What law?

I defy ANYONE here to provide a local, state or federal code banning discrimination based on physical appearence.

There is NONE.

Yes, people have sued over it. Some have wrongly won, MOST have rightly lost.

You can sue for ANYTHING. Just because someone sues for it does NOT make it illegal.

The ONLY codified protections against discrimination are sex, gender, race, disability and national origin. That's IT. Some (very few) local areas have added laws for sexual preference. NONE have laws banning discrimination based on appearance.

I was under this impression as well. However, I have also heard you cannot hire/fire based on political preferences/beliefs?

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: spidey07
Yes. They can and should be able to discriminate.

Happens all the time to ugly and fat people.

And they sue someone because of it, and usually win.

Doesn't make it right. What next? I didn't get hired because I had a pimple?

IMHO a company should be able to hire/fire anybody regardless of anything.

I agree to an extent, but thats not what the law says.

What law?

I defy ANYONE here to provide a local, state or federal code banning discrimination based on physical appearence.

There is NONE.

Yes, people have sued over it. Some have wrongly won, MOST have rightly lost.

You can sue for ANYTHING. Just because someone sues for it does NOT make it illegal.

The ONLY codified protections against discrimination are sex, gender, race, disability and national origin. That's IT. Some (very few) local areas have added laws for sexual preference. NONE have laws banning discrimination based on appearance.

Then why the fvck should anyone ever win a lawsuit? If its not a law how are the judges interpreting it as one and ruling in favor of the plantiffs?!?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: LordSegan

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: spidey07
Yes. They can and should be able to discriminate.

Happens all the time to ugly and fat people.

And they sue someone because of it, and usually win.

Doesn't make it right. What next? I didn't get hired because I had a pimple?

IMHO a company should be able to hire/fire anybody regardless of anything.

I agree to an extent, but thats not what the law says.

What law?

I defy ANYONE here to provide a local, state or federal code banning discrimination based on physical appearence.

There is NONE.

Yes, people have sued over it. Some have wrongly won, MOST have rightly lost.

You can sue for ANYTHING. Just because someone sues for it does NOT make it illegal.

The ONLY codified protections against discrimination are religion, sex, gender, race, disability and national origin. That's IT. Some (very few) local areas have added laws for sexual preference. NONE have laws banning discrimination based on appearance.

I was under this impression as well. However, I have also heard you cannot hire/fire based on political preferences/beliefs?

Incorrect. BTW, I forgot to add religion in the post you quoted. I'm adding it now.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: spidey07
Yes. They can and should be able to discriminate.

Happens all the time to ugly and fat people.

And they sue someone because of it, and usually win.

Doesn't make it right. What next? I didn't get hired because I had a pimple?

IMHO a company should be able to hire/fire anybody regardless of anything.

I agree to an extent, but thats not what the law says.

What law?

I defy ANYONE here to provide a local, state or federal code banning discrimination based on physical appearence.

There is NONE.

Yes, people have sued over it. Some have wrongly won, MOST have rightly lost.

You can sue for ANYTHING. Just because someone sues for it does NOT make it illegal.

The ONLY codified protections against discrimination are sex, gender, race, disability and national origin. That's IT. Some (very few) local areas have added laws for sexual preference. NONE have laws banning discrimination based on appearance.

Then why the fvck should anyone ever win a lawsuit? If its not a law how are the judges interpreting it as one and ruling in favor of the plantiffs?!?

Find me the law. You have everything you could ever find on the Internet. Produce one law stating discrimination based on appearance is illegal.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: LordSegan

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: spidey07
Yes. They can and should be able to discriminate.

Happens all the time to ugly and fat people.

And they sue someone because of it, and usually win.

Doesn't make it right. What next? I didn't get hired because I had a pimple?

IMHO a company should be able to hire/fire anybody regardless of anything.

I agree to an extent, but thats not what the law says.

What law?

I defy ANYONE here to provide a local, state or federal code banning discrimination based on physical appearence.

There is NONE.

Yes, people have sued over it. Some have wrongly won, MOST have rightly lost.

You can sue for ANYTHING. Just because someone sues for it does NOT make it illegal.

The ONLY codified protections against discrimination are sex, gender, race, disability and national origin. That's IT. Some (very few) local areas have added laws for sexual preference. NONE have laws banning discrimination based on appearance.

I was under this impression as well. However, I have also heard you cannot hire/fire based on political preferences/beliefs?

Oh jeez. Don't get me started.

There is a big stink here in KY because the state administration (republican) hired/fired people based on their political affiliation. Even though anybody with an ounce of intelligence knows this is how any industry works - its all in who you know.

And I'm here thinking "and this is news because of what?" Where in the constituation of the US or State that says this is illegal????????