railven
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Pretty sure bulldozer uses less power than sandy at idle.
You should tell that to AT, guess their benches are wrong:
Pretty sure bulldozer uses less power than sandy at idle.
Exactly why Bulldozer is not welcomed in this house hold.
Right, but my point is people care about Bulldozer's inefficiency much more because the difference is staggering. In contrast, even Anandtech shows only 100W difference in gaming among high-end videocards, from HD6950 to GTX580.
And if you actually compare cards with similar performance, such as GTX570 vs. HD6970, there isn't much between them. That's why most users don't really care about 20-40W difference in GPU power consumption. It's a nice bonus, but not a deal breaker.
What facts? All you did was spout the same nonsense I often hear from consumers.
If marketing is what makes NVIDIA sell more, then they're no different in that aspect from Apple. The difference being that while people believe both companies' marketing BS, most people can't buy Apple because their products are, for the most part, hugely overpriced.
And if you actually believe that a product selling more means it's automatically better, I introduce you to this logical fallacy: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
I'm sure people like me are the minority, but at the same time your argument can be applied to many features of a GPU/CPU.
We aren't Joe6Pack, so trying to use their logic fails on us, because I completely agree with Wut said - as a builder, I've had people request a card like the GT 430 2GB because it was a higher number and had more RAM than a GTS 250.
Anyways, I don't argue features for cards because those are subjective. Just like I buy motherboards with bells & whistles and down the road I never use them. People put value into different things and if we don't agree, they're clearly wrong. haha.
Of course most consumers are dumb. The vast majority of the people in this very planet are dumb. If you're still not aware of this I may have some bad news for you.
And I already laid out to you why NVIDIA sells more, and it's mainly marketing and consumer ignorance.
Um, what is that even supposed to mean? That the consumer will pay a few extra bucks for the CUDA which they don't know what it is or the few extra bucks for the PhysX they'll never use or they don't havr sufficient hardware to take advantage of?
Just to give you an idea of just how dumb consumers are in general, I had dozens of people wanting to buy GT 210s and GT 430s for playing games like Battlefield 3 and WOW at the best settings. Some were so dumb to even say cards like the GT 520 were faster than a GTS 450 because according to them the number is higher.
What is it with you and "intelligence"
It's hillairous, especially because the consumers vote with their wallets.
You are like a cult leader, claming the rest of the world is dumb...becuase they don't view the world like you do (cherry-picking).
There is nothing "intelligent" buisnesswise about catering to 10% and ignoring the rest 90%..and letting the competition take their money :thumbsdown:
(As the numbers show)
Only a less "intelligent" (You choose to label people that don't care (like me eg.) about perf/watt as other than "intelligent"...live with being slammed for it!)would defend that "strategy"...and not from facts or buisness-strategy, but an emotional/fan viewpoint.
That dosn't makes money, that dosn't pay sallaries or feed the R&D machine.
It's the recipe for obscurity and insignificance.
Ask VIA and Cyrix about how focus on peerf/watt paid off...or are you once again going to blame "dumb" consumers.
So dumb that marketing cannot reach them?
LOL, nice "counterargument", if you can even call it that. I'm done with you.
If you actually think most people are intelligent you haven't been out very much.
Until you have something that's not name calling or petty arguments that have no technical or factual background, don't bother.
CUDA? Seriously? I guess worthless marketing acryonyms work!
OMG
Pot, kettle, black.
All you excuses dosn't alter the numbers.
You can then put your fingers in your ears and close your eyes..it won't help either.
The numbers don't lie.
Consumers choose NVIDIA more than they choose AMD.
But I guess you would throw a hissyfit if I pointed out the problem isn't the consumers...but AMD.