Disappointed by Ati AIW Radion32 DDR horid software and no support for good ones-- UPDATE!! Read this Thread!! I changed my Mind!!! OH Boy Oh Boy!!!

[venomhed]

RVB5 -

What OS are you on? Are you using WMP 7.0 or the previous 6.X version? Maybe there is something here thats causing the problem....

 

[rbV5]

I actually prefer to capture in the ATI digital VCR because of that. Premiere is a resorce hog I guess, video capture takes some juice.

I do like to edit in Premiere though, and it'll output just about anything you could want.

If your not editing, mpeg capture with the digital vcr works great I think. and NTFS seems like the smart way to go, no file size restrictions

 

[rbV5]

I use win2k, and WMP 6.4 (that way I can have multiple video windows open)

MMC has NEVER locked up for me, I did reinstall it a couple of times becuse of audio sync problems, but thats even been a bit.

 

[TungFree]

My appologies if I was offensive
The intent was not.
Welcome Bwahahahahaha

 

[venomhed]

Ahha! Win2k and WMP 6.1....interesting. THIS may be what I am looking for. Ok maybe this weekend I will try moving my card to my win2k Server and installing it. That may not work and may require Win2k Pro, but thats ok if it does. Anyways, I will try that and let you all know of my results.

OH Btw, anyone else using Win2k and WMP 6.1? Can you get the VDUB Codecs (or any 3rd party capture programs) to work?
Thanks all! And especially you RBV5,or RVB5.

 

[venomhed]

Sorry to fill up space but thanks TungFree, peace and hopefully we can get this problem resolved!

 

[TungFree]

I use WMP 6.4 because 7 seemed to compete with another competition (tube ... something) and when I had to reinstall win98 I went with the 6.4 instead and have had no vid griping that they cannoot work

 

[venomhed]

Sorry to maybe ask the obvious, but Tung you also have the Radeon All In Wonder and are using Vdub 1.4c and get the same if not more codecs in the capture video/compression section?

Does anyone know where you can download and install WP 6.4 anymore?

I think Im going to try and uninstall WMP 7 and revert back to WP 6.4. But as we all know, once something is installed and uninstalled it doesnt always revert back completely (registry, .dll files)

SO I will probably try this tonight as it is easier and let you know. Just cant seem to find WP 6.4 for download though.

 

[rbV5]

I think win2k server just has more services running which may affect your captures. With my Duron 650, I drop frames capturing mpeg-2 highest settings and trying capture compressed avis with audio at higher resolutions. I prefer to capture full uncompressed frames and then edit, then recompress. Maybe when I get my 1.2 T-bird.....

 

[TungFree]

I have win2k server pro but because of the old MOBO 133mhz pentium and edo 72 pin memory I opted to shelv it for now till the next system within 6 weeks or less is all assembled. But I am taking notes Viz my pessssil ya ya ya and I am getting the Tbird1.2 as soon as I get the MOBO since the prices of CPU usually do not rize I will get it near that time

 

[TungFree]

Yes I also have the rdadian AIW but my present system has PCI only and waiting for my next system just that Hawk was selling ATI AIW radiaons at 210 bux and I had to get it from him.
so my experience is limited to observing others work video capturing editing and will have to wait in the night table till the sx1030 and the MOBO that will have both DDR and sdram memory slots and be Palamino compatable. Untill then I go to friends homes and play there.

 

[Semper Fi]

Thanks for starting this thread TungFree.
Lots of great info here. I've been thinking of getting a Radeon myself.
Reading this thread will save me a LOT of frustration and time.

 

[venomhed]

Hey Semper Fi, want to buy mine??!?!? Cheap man! Matter of fact if you buy me an OEM Rage 128 Pro I will trade you! Mine is the Retail Box Radeon with receipt and EXCELLENT condition.

I hate mine as you can tell. Video editing/capturing over gaming ANY day.

 

[TungFree]

Semper_Fi

Thank u for the comlement, but the Hats off is to the contributing Memebers who are service oriented ( like rbV5 and NicColt most recently and any others ) who contributed the HEART of this thread. I so very much agree with u about the value of this thread and have taken a step towards seeing if it can be copied to an archive for any future ATI buyer with edditing capabilities like the AIW Radion 32 DDR and the Radion VIVO 64meg DDR. see the tread:
Here
Thank you for joining and perhaps you can make a deal with Venomhed he used to own an earlier version of the card that I have seen for 1/2 the price of the one he is offering, so I would take him up if I had none, great GREAT offer !!!!

 

[venomhed]

Hello all. This post is just for some of us who might want an alternative to ATI AIW products. I am seriously eyeing this one but do NOT wish to be the first kid on the block with it. Also after you see the price this may be out of reach for most of us. Notice how it says OPTIONAL MODULE, which means that this base unit STARTS at $549 bucks and of course the module will most likely be around $149 or more. Can you believe we are paying this much for a friggin VIDEO CARD!!!!!!

source: www.avault.com
Friday, March 2, 2001 - 8:09 am CT
Elsa Announces Elsa Gladiac 920
Elsa has announced the Elsa Gladiac 920, based on the GeForce 3 GPU from nVidia. Elsa is providing customer's who purchase the graphics accelerator with a full version of Giants that features new optimizations for the GeForce 3. In addition to specialized drivers, the Elsa Gladiac 920 will also ship complete with Elsa Best Select -- the group's optional gaming bundle that allows customers to choose and select up to three games -- and a DVD application. Elsa is also offering an optional video editing module with TV in-out capabilities. The Elsa Gladiac 920 has a suggested retail price of 549 USD and can be purchased online and through traditional retailers around the nation. Also announced is the price drop of the Elsa Gladiac Ultra, which now retails for 399 USD.
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[WetWilly]

Unless Elsa designed a new VIVO module (which I'd tend to doubt), that one costs ~$40. The few reviews of it said it was rather average at best. Driver support has been a bit inconsistent for it as well. The module can also be added to the Elsa Gladiac GTS and MX boards. Seemed like the AIW (at least on paper) is a better solution.

My complaint about the AIW is that I don't really want to put out that much and be tied to one video card. Since I already have a Gladiac GTS, I'd prefer something like the Dazzle DVC II or the USB Creative MovieMaker that's video card independent. Plus the cost of those products is in the same ballpark as an AIW Radeon (the MovieMaker a little less, the Dazzle a little more). ATI had announced a card (the Video Wonder, I believe) that was basically the TV Wonder with a Rage Theater chip instead. Basically gave you an AIW Radeon minus the Radeon. It was up on their website and was supposed to be introduced at one of the trade shows, then it mysteriously disappeared.

Anyways, Creative is supposed to introduce a FireWire version of the MovieMaker. If it supports resolutions higher than 352x480, it might be the way to go.

 

[Semper Fi]

Great offer venomhed, but I think I will probably go with the 64MB DDR w/VIVO instead of the AIW.

 

[TGCid]

When all is said and done, what is the best current solution? I had the AIW Radeon and sold it because the Mpeg compressed is not that great of a quality. I was thinking of buying a Dazzle DV II but found out that it has a butt load of compatibility issues. Now I am left even more confuse than I was.

 

[NicColt]

Ok let's get some facts in here. and try to clear up som mysteries.

FACT: This is the statement from Avery Lee, the creator of VirtualDub.
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Ok, I went and e-mailed the guy who programmed VirtualDub, and this was his response...

"Unfortunately, ATI seems to have taken the boneheaded path with the Radeon of only releasing WDM drivers for DirectShow. VirtualDub can only use Video for Windows (VfW) capture drivers. This is a particularly stupid move for ATI since most capture programs do not support DirectShow!
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He says that VirtualDub 1.4c does NOT support directshow and will not work with the AIW-Radeon because of VD requires VfW support only.

FACT: rbv5 says that "...Virtualdub, I just did a capture and compressed it with..."
FACT: RGN says that "I can capture in ... Virtualdub and the ATI programs. I've got a 64 VIVO"

RGN and rbv5, you are saying that you can capture with VirtualDub. this is a problem for the rest of us because, how in the world can you do that since VD requires VfW ??? there must be something that you have installed or something that you did or do that makes the Radeon communicate with VD through VfW. That's the mysterie that we'd like to know.

FACT: According to the factsheet for Adobe Premiere. It supports MPEG-1, it does not support MPEG-2. The only way to achieve MPEG-2 with Premiere is to buy an MPEG-2 plug-in for Premiere.

If Premiere can do MPEG-2 by just renaming mp2 to mpg, we'd like to know how. Did you get a plug-in???

FACT: VirtualDub does not support MPEG-2.

So you cannot load and MPEG-2 in virtualdub to edit it, only MPEG-1 files.

FACT: "The AIW Radeon CAN capture video with ... third party software"

Which ones, we know about Premiere and Ulead Studio, they use are somewhat compatible with directshow. But VirtualDub ??? what codec ??? how ???

I just learned that that the next version of AVI I/O will support DirectShow.

 

[NicColt]

>I had the AIW Radeon and sold it because the Mpeg compressed is not that great of a quality.

what the.... not that great of a quality. The Radeon is the only sub $500 board that will do hardware MPEG-2 compression and btw just through in a Radeon chip and tuner. The radeon does have it's bad parts, the Rage Theater chip is not THE best, drivers are still a problem, the company is guide by idiot's with no quality control with it's share of lying and manipulating of the public, it's stock is worth less than pizza pizza, BUT it's still the best solution for sub $500 video captures. I agree that Dazzle and Marvel are getting better at what they do BUT a board with hardware compression is where it's at for quality.

 

[TungFree]

LOL NicColt,
WoW what an atterney you would make... ) well presented query!! I bet it took time to research and implement. A Big Thank you )!!

 

[rbV5]

Well Gee, I guess I have a magic Computer, PM me with an email address, or somewhere I can post them, I can send you screen captures if you'd like.

Despite your efforts Nic, I am just telling you what works on my computer, I can most definately capture with VirtualDub, I can import *.mp2 files into Premiere by changing the prefix to *.mpg regardless of whether believe me or not.

I can\do also use amcap(comes with Directx SDK), and vidcap32(microsoft) as well.

 

[TungFree]

rbV5,
NicColt did not disbeleive, he wants to know your full setup so he too can do that LOL. U seem to me a Goodol' boy and not a dishonest thread in your bones. And I sencerly thank u too. U are a Rock and a treasure store house of information.

NicColt Am I not right as to your sentiments?

 

[NicColt]

>NicColt Am I not right as to your sentiments

Your right on. I don't disprove what rbv5 and RGN are saying. Even though it's not officially supported by VirtualDub or Premiere, it doesn't mean we cannot somehow make it work, If there is a way that we can make captures in virtualDub and use mpeg-2 in premiere, that's what I want to know. cracking this mystery will benefit all of us.

For example look at my sound sync problem. allot of people were, are saying that sound sync just doesn't work and will never work with a via chipsets system. Why did sound with perfect sync work on some via chipsets and not on others, that was the mystery until I spent 60 hours (I kid you not) that's 5 days at 12 hours/day looking for the solution. Now my sound is in perfect sync while recording long clips, it makes video editing a hell of a lot easier. It's things like this that we need to share cause we surely aren't gona get it from ATI, Microsoft, VIA and others.

 

[rbV5]

Don't take me wrong, its all good, see my new thread about my magic computer!