Dirt cheap SFF / XPC cases with mobo at newegg!!

[pxc]

Originally posted by: redly1
You're talking theoretical maximums, of course.

I've got a P4 3.0Ghz machine. I hooked it up to a watt meter and never saw the computer pull over 120W (even under full load running a DC client). Considering that a switching power supply is ~85% efficient at best, the components are only pulling ~100W. And that's in a high end P4 system with a video card (not internal) and 2 hard drives running.

Food for thought

No, actually I'm not talking about theoretical maximums. The CPU power was given by Intel's TDP, the video card power by (near) full load, the optical drive by typical seek/read, the hard drive by typical read/write/seek. The maximum power spikes up much higher on some devices (the CPU to about 75W on power up instantaneous), the hard drive to almost 30W during start up and I probably underestimated the motherboard's load (memory, fans, etc).

Yeah, but during typical use, the power load will be lower. But when playing a game, for example, a 150W PSU will be overloaded with a newer video card, as I described above. But the 150W PSU should be fine for older video cards like the GF4 Ti series and Radeon 8500/9000/9100/9200, if the AGP slot is even used, also like I described above.

For your example, I think you need to double check your watt meter. A P4 3GHz CPU under full load draws 82W (see the datasheet). Even if the hard drive is asleep, it's not possible for a P4 3.0GHz under full load system to draw around 100W, especially if you have an AGP video card, fans and other components. For typical (low) use, it may be that low, but not under 100% load.

 

[Crackabot]

Holy cow, I was there looking at the $89 AMD boxes, came back here to read a few comments then decided to get one for an old XP1600 I have laying around, when I went back they were gone

 

[RU482]

Straight off the datasheet, under where it says a P4 3.0Ghz Thermal Design Power (W) is 81.9W

...Note 2:
The numbers in this column reflect Intels recommended design point and are not indicative of the maximum power the prossessor can dissipate under worst case conditions...

So, it's not the actualy peak load, it's what you should design your cooling to be able to dissipate, not an actual maximum.
I am curious if my wattmeter is running correctly, though

 

[smashp]

Deal is dead. D845ge was 139 now 200

 

[Crackabot]

Originally posted by: smashp
Deal is dead. D845ge was 139 now 200

Yup, everything changed or disapeared.

 

[geecee]

Yup. Deal is dead. I had one @$109, and one @ $139 in my cart, got a little busy at work, came back to complete the order a little later and (in the words of Emeril Lagasse) BAM! Once I hit refresh the prices were $180 and $200. Bummer.

Oh well. I didn't really need 2 more SFF pcs anyway.

 

[DurocShark]

Originally posted by: geecee
Yup. Deal is dead. I had one @$109, and one @ $139 in my cart, got a little busy at work, came back to complete the order a little later and (in the words of Emeril Lagasse) BAM! Once I hit refresh the prices were $180 and $200. Bummer.

Oh well. I didn't really need 2 more SFF pcs anyway.

Still, those HTPC cases sure are purdy... heh

 

[Anonemous]

Originally posted by: Crackabot

Originally posted by: smashp
Deal is dead. D845ge was 139 now 200

Yup, everything changed or disapeared.

Oh wells, it was good while it lasted. Ordered the 220W Intel one. What's the P4/AMD equivalent of a 2.0ghz celeron? P41.8ghz? 1700+?

Time to look into those matters...

 

[picardal]

i cannot believe i got in a deal like this
crazy!

 

[farstar]

whooohoo, Thank Anandtech Dudes, I got the 845 setup for $129 plus $10 California taxes. I love Anandtech. I've been wanting to play with an SFF since Shuttle came out with their first one.

 

[jna]

ROFL

Get a "watt meter" (AC ammeter) and try it yourself, instead of arguing about numbers on a piece of paper.

TDP is always artificially high for fault tolerance. In fact, all power-related figures are. In real usage, those numbers aren't much more accurate than any manufacturer's "CFM" or "C/W" ratings, and we know how accurate those are.

Originally posted by: pxc

Originally posted by: redly1
You're talking theoretical maximums, of course.

I've got a P4 3.0Ghz machine. I hooked it up to a watt meter and never saw the computer pull over 120W (even under full load running a DC client). Considering that a switching power supply is ~85% efficient at best, the components are only pulling ~100W. And that's in a high end P4 system with a video card (not internal) and 2 hard drives running.

Food for thought

No, actually I'm not talking about theoretical maximums. The CPU power was given by Intel's TDP, the video card power by (near) full load, the optical drive by typical seek/read, the hard drive by typical read/write/seek. The maximum power spikes up much higher on some devices (the CPU to about 75W on power up instantaneous), the hard drive to almost 30W during start up and I probably underestimated the motherboard's load (memory, fans, etc).

Yeah, but during typical use, the power load will be lower. But when playing a game, for example, a 150W PSU will be overloaded with a newer video card, as I described above. But the 150W PSU should be fine for older video cards like the GF4 Ti series and Radeon 8500/9000/9100/9200, if the AGP slot is even used, also like I described above.

For your example, I think you need to double check your watt meter. A P4 3GHz CPU under full load draws 82W (see the datasheet). Even if the hard drive is asleep, it's not possible for a P4 3.0GHz under full load system to draw around 100W, especially if you have an AGP video card, fans and other components. For typical (low) use, it may be that low, but not under 100% load.

 

[pxc]

Originally posted by: jna
ROFL

Get a "watt meter" (AC ammeter) and try it yourself, instead of arguing about numbers on a piece of paper.

TDP is always artificially high for fault tolerance. In fact, all power-related figures are. In real usage, those numbers aren't much more accurate than any manufacturer's "CFM" or "C/W" ratings, and we know how accurate those are.

TDP is not artificially high, it represents cooling that is needed to run a CPU without throttling. I didn't use maximum power values in the initial calculation (which are useless in this case), and that's clearly pointed out. I can argue that a 6 pack of 12 oz cans will overflow a half gallon container without actually pouring any soda.

 

[slycat]

managed to get on it. $129 for the black one.
deal is dead i believe more due to FW effect...there's a huge post there about this.

now to get a black dvd burner and floppy.

EDIT------------------------------------------------------------------
someone in firingsquad forums said he hated his because it
sounded like a jet turbine engine taking off...i am really worried about this..
i mean is it louder than a midtower case with like 4fans? I mean it kinda
defeats the purpose if its so loud
i would cancel my order if so...

 

[PTCvette]

WTF?!?!?!?! I was looking at these last night for crazy low prices, but didn't buy... came back this morning to get at least one, if not 2, and the price is jacked all out of control!!!! ARRRRRG WTF is up with that?

Jeff

 

[Sleeping]

EDIT------------------------------------------------------------------
someone in firingsquad forums said he hated his because it
sounded like a jet turbine engine taking off...i am really worried about this..
i mean is it louder than a midtower case with like 4fans? I mean it kinda
defeats the purpose if its so loud
i would cancel my order if so...

Thats not a problem. Just get an NMB fans and replace the fan in the powersupply. Probably can squeeze in bigger fan on the CPU also. Someone did it in an article in the previous post. Will cost you like $2.

By the way you forget, this place was the real "firingsquad forums", when there too many members here.

 

[MrBLUNT]

For those of you who got in on CHYANG FUN Barebones Intel PC Model CF-S968L-C for $139... anyone wanna sell and make quick little profit? let me know, i can paypal or send u money order. email me at dkim514@msn.com or AIM me at stange514.

thx,

***********

i always miss out on good deals... the Dell 400sc 3.2GHz 1st AND 2nd one, the WD 200GB, Staples ram, now this... always the one time i dun check the forum... theres awesome deal =(

***********

btw, the cpu fan dat comes with the case produces 39dB of noise.... probly y, it sounds like a jet. jus replace it with fan 25dB or less

 

[CATASTROPHY]

Anyone get any extra black intel ones they wanna sell?

 

[slycat]

i bought the Intel 845GE Black one...but i am selling it
coz it was kinda an impulse buy and i'm not ready to build another system at
the moment. If anyone wants it, contact me...I'm in SF, CA.

Edit: GONE!

 

[MrBLUNT]

PM sent slycat.

 

[klingsor]

Trying to decide between slapping a P4 Northwood 1.8 or a Celeron 2.0 in there. Anyone advise going with either? Or rather, where is the best price/performance ratio for an inexpensive system? Overclocking, honestly, befuddles me - so that may be out.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: slycat
i bought the Intel 845GE Black one...but i am selling it
coz it was kinda an impulse buy and i'm not ready to build another system at
the moment. If anyone wants it, contact me...I'm in SF, CA.

Em, I was already chatting with you about it on FW, did you not want to sell it to me?

 

[farstar]

wow, this case is cool. Easy setup, took about 30 minutes to move everything over from my old system. Pretty quite too, I don't hear the jet engine that some are talking about.

I was at Fry's last night and saw the same case with an 865 mobo for $299. I'll wait until they drop to $129 to upgrade

For a black face DVD burner checkout newegg, they have this:
*BLACK* NEC DVD +/- RW 4x DVD Recordable Drive Model ND-1300A/BLACK/GEN - OEM
$114.99

 

[VictorLazlo]

I wish these had 2 pci slots.

 

[Anonemous]

I just can't believe how EASY it is to install p4s/celeron's heatsink, hadn't touched an intel since a p60 and finally got a celeron to install. Why doesn't amd just copy intel's lever system for their mobo designs? Why are there still 3 pronged heatsinks when this design seems much easier to install with? No more screwdriver slipping and hitting the pcb on the mobo or cpu/heatsink mis aligning when getting the prong on...

 

[hanybanoub]

If anyone here changes their mind and wants to sell his/her P4 SFF, please contact me: hanybanoub@yahoo.com

cheers