DirectX 12 improves performance on Phenom II by 250%?!

[monstercameron]

that's good news for the 7 people still using the 955.

seriously though, amazing results.

The sad thing for me is that my bro tossed the the 965be I gave him for a 4690...1 Les phenom user out there.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Of course it is. What else would he do to try make FX look good?

Yea, gpu bottlenecked benchmarks, the favorite of AMD fans since Bulldozer came out. I still remember the AMD graphs showing an FX was as fast as a thousand dollar hex core intel, but the benchmark was gpu limited and in any case quad intel was much cheaper and faster.

That data does show FX in a seeming better light, but it also shows just how bad AMD's DX 11 drivers are.

 

[NTMBK]

Yea, gpu bottlenecked benchmarks, the favorite of AMD fans since Bulldozer came out. I still remember the AMD graphs showing an FX was as fast as a thousand dollar hex core intel, but the benchmark was gpu limited and in any case quad intel was much cheaper and faster.

That data does show FX in a seeming better light, but it also shows just how bad AMD's DX 11 drivers are.

It's the world's fastest GPU (in that game), not exactly much else he could do.

 

[SlowSpyder]

GPU bottleneck?

Of course it is. What else would he do to try make FX look good?

Obviously a GPU bottleneck. But the takeaway should be how with DX12 even at 1080P an FX8350 is GPU bound, the CPU can feed the GPU and handle it's other duties faster than that very fast GPU can spit frames out. The FX have really aged well and looks like DX12 will only help. I imagine a lot of older CPU's are really going to benefit from DX12.

 

[ShintaiDK]

The FX haven't aged well. Its directly awful.

And I think you will be sorely disappointed in the dreams of the DX12 savior as games comes. The AMD sponsored AOTS will pretty much be the best case possible for AMD products we will see.

http://www.computerbase.de/2016-02/ashes-of-the-singularity-directx-12-amd-nvidia/5/

You can just as well use an i3 instead of an FX.

 

[LTC8K6]

Obviously a GPU bottleneck. But the takeaway should be how with DX12 even at 1080P an FX8350 is GPU bound, the CPU can feed the GPU and handle it's other duties faster than that very fast GPU can spit frames out. The FX have really aged well and looks like DX12 will only help. I imagine a lot of older CPU's are really going to benefit from DX12.

What other duties while gaming?

Winrar?

 

[monstercameron]

What other duties while gaming?

Winrar?

Just because you don't multitask doesn't mean that others don't. What about interacting with script heavy websites, screen capture software, software compiling, media transcoding etc.

Edit: the context might've been about all non gpu related tasks the CPU has to do, like physics and ai.

 

[dark zero]

Obviously a GPU bottleneck. But the takeaway should be how with DX12 even at 1080P an FX8350 is GPU bound, the CPU can feed the GPU and handle it's other duties faster than that very fast GPU can spit frames out. The FX have really aged well and looks like DX12 will only help. I imagine a lot of older CPU's are really going to benefit from DX12.

Even Sandy and old Nehalem will get decent buffs from DX12. All of them aged so well...

 

[razel]

I'm actually more impressed that a 7 year old chip supports DX12! I do like what's happening with software. Hardware has peaked and now software is catching up to maximize it. We caught glimpses of that with Win8 and even the IOS 9 release has made the strange iPad 3 bearable with 3D games.

 

[frozentundra123456]

What other duties while gaming?

Winrar?

Yea, I dont get it. Trying to do a cpu demanding tasks while running a cpu demanding game just seems like hauling around a load of bricks while trying to race a car. I mean, there are 24 hours in a day. How many hours per day does one game, 3 or 4 at most? That leaves 20 hours to do the other crap.

 

[dark zero]

I'm actually more impressed that a 7 year old chip supports DX12! I do like what's happening with software. Hardware has peaked and now software is catching up to maximize it. We caught glimpses of that with Win8 and even the IOS 9 release has made the strange iPad 3 bearable with 3D games.

SW is still behind HW in a hard way and it will take years to catch up.

 

[SlowSpyder]

The FX haven't aged well. Its directly awful.

And I think you will be sorely disappointed in the dreams of the DX12 savior as games comes. The AMD sponsored AOTS will pretty much be the best case possible for AMD products we will see.

http://www.computerbase.de/2016-02/ashes-of-the-singularity-directx-12-amd-nvidia/5/

You can just as well use an i3 instead of an FX.

You can just as well use an i5 over a HEDT i7, too, and still be respectably close.

What other duties while gaming?

Winrar?

As monstercameron mentioned, I meant gaming related.

Just because you don't multitask doesn't mean that others don't. What about interacting with script heavy websites, screen capture software, software compiling, media transcoding etc.

Edit: the context might've been about all non gpu related tasks the CPU has to do, like physics and ai.

Your edit, exactly, yes.

Even Sandy and old Nehalem will get decent buffs from DX12. All of them aged so well...

Yup, the bar for CPU performance really hasn't moved a gigantic leap, certainly not like the pace GPU performance increases move at. I bet a 2600K at mid 4GHz is still a screaming CPU for most uses, it will lose in e-peen benches, though.

 

[USER8000]

So instead of people thinking this is a great development for gamers,since there are plenty of older desktops using older Intel and AMD CPUs which can be easily upgraded with a Pascal or Polaris card and it will mean less gamers going to consoles,people are bickering.

 

[cytg111]

What he means is the missing multithreading support in AMD's DX11 drivers.

You can see it here:

The single long dark cyan bar is the driver.
Source: http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/directx12

In this presentation you can see, that there is only one driver consumer thread:
http://developer.amd.com/wordpress/media/2013/04/DX11PerformanceReloaded.ppsx

Well I have a pretty good picture of what he means and it is nothing of the sort you just posted. Interesting non the less, do we know for sure it is a software/driver limitation or could it be a hardware limitiation as well? I can see Nvidias bone here, if they've spend $$'ers on optimizing hardware AND software towards DX11 and then AMD pulls a mantle and gets a semi-free lunch.

 

[Shamrock]

I have a Phenom II 955 as a backup, when I get off my sorry butt, I'm gonna make it a Linux internet machine. Not so sure now.

Of course, my i7-4790K will be my gaming rig.

 

[MajinCry]

So instead of people thinking this is a great development for gamers,since there are plenty of older desktops using older Intel and AMD CPUs which can be easily upgraded with a Pascal or Polaris card and it will mean less gamers going to consoles,people are bickering.

It's pretty bizarre.

'AMD CPUs suck, they benefit from more efficient draw calls'

Me? I'm chuffed. I hope Amazon Lumberyard gets Vulkan soon. Shizzle is gonna be so good.

 

[Shehriazad]

Waiting for Carrizo results... Expecting a mayor humiliation from Phenom II results.

INB4, Phenom II is far better than current Carrizo.

If Kaveri X4 860K beats Phenom X4 965 across the board....and Carrizo 845 actually equals a Kaveri at 4.3 Ghz (best case scenario)....then...uhm...even FM2+ Carrizo would not be embarrassed....

And yes...I'm fun at parties.

 

[superstition]

I am sure the final boost from DX12 is going to be very game dependent and hardware dependent. Ashes (RTS game with a lot of draw calls) on an old, slow cpu like the phenom, is undoubtedly the best case scenario for DX12. And even then, I still consider it more of a technical demo than a real game at this point.

Ashes doesn't look to do a very good job of leveraging lots of cores/threads from the results I've seen.

When a 3.5 GHz Haswell i3 posts a huge boost from DX 11 to 12 and an 8370 doesn't (and gets beaten by the i3) that makes one think the game is optimized for a dual core with four threads.

 

[superstition]

The FX haven't aged well. Its directly awful.

And I think you will be sorely disappointed in the dreams of the DX12 savior as games comes. The AMD sponsored AOTS will pretty much be the best case possible for AMD products we will see.

I thought Deserts of Kharak is the best case right now.

 

[coercitiv]

Do we have tests with Nvidia cards showing only modest relative gains on weak CPUs?

Yes we do.

The results from the PCLab test show scaling even for Nvidia cards under DX12, although it takes a weaker CPU than an i3 to see it. Fun times when a Celeron can keep up with the big boys, even in a benchmark.

Nvidia will surely improve DX12 performance, so the relative jump will become higher, even considering their more efficient DX11 approach.

 

[Leyawiin]

Too late for me. Just passed along my old X4 980 BE to my nephew.

 

[AtenRa]

I still have my 1090T but i dont have time now, perhaps next week.

 

[mizzou]

Interesting.. This makes me feel a bit more confident for choosing a 390 over a gtx970.

They were both so close, I ended up getting the one on sale

 

[bbhaag]

So instead of people thinking this is a great development for gamers,since there are plenty of older desktops using older Intel and AMD CPUs which can be easily upgraded with a Pascal or Polaris card and it will mean less gamers going to consoles,people are bickering.

If it holds true I think it's really great. I have a 965 so upgrading my vid card instead of my whole system would be awesome.

I also hope the improvements in DX12 help older Intel cpus too. Both of my sons computers use 2500k's so a gpu upgrade vs building 2 whole new computer would help my pocket book out. haha

Anyway, this early news seems really exciting so I hope it works out when the final product is released.

 

[DeathReborn]

I wonder if this carries over to a Athlon II X4 620 @ 3.6GHz and a Phenom II 1090T @ 3.5GHz. If it does I can hold off on upgrading my nephews PC's for another year or so and get them a better system then.