DirectX 10 and the G70

[Smartazz]

Can someone please explain to me why people are panicing over the G70, windows vista and DX10?

 

[Rage187]

Can you link to where people are panicking?


BTW: G70 is a DX9 card, G80 will be DX10. Knowing that, what is there to panick about?

 

[Smartazz]

Originally posted by: Rage187
Can you link to where people are panicking?


BTW: G70 is a DX9 card, G80 will be DX10. Knowing that, what is there to panick about?

I heard that windows vista is DX10 only so the G70 will not work with it, is this true?

 

[Bobthelost]

It's not true, you'll be able to run Vista with DX9, but you won't be able to play HD DVDs or Blueray DVDs, also some of the bells/whistles of vista might not be useable.

Am i supposed to panic yet?

 

[Acanthus]

<= is sobbing in the corner about the impending release of windows 2000 3.0

 

[Alexstarfire]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
It's not true, you'll be able to run Vista with DX9, but you won't be able to play HD DVDs or Blueray DVDs, also some of the bells/whistles of vista might not be useable.

Am i supposed to panic yet?

I'm sure someone somewhere will find a way to get around that. That said, there is no such thing as Blueray DVDs, it's just called Blueray Discs.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
<= is sobbing in the corner about the impending release of windows 2000 3.0

? win2000 was the best os ever released in the windows line. stable, low requirements. Vista seems like Windows ME to me. All flash, no substance, and makes the people that switch hate themselves for it(not as bad as windows 1.0 though).

 

[SparkyJJO]

ok not nvidia related but is the x1900xt also DX9 not DX10 compatible? Just curious since that is what card I was thinking of getting

 

[The J]

There are no DirectX 10 cards available right now. The Vista presentation foundation uses DirectX 9.0, I think.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Acanthus
<= is sobbing in the corner about the impending release of windows 2000 3.0

? win2000 was the best os ever released in the windows line. stable, low requirements. Vista seems like Windows ME to me. All flash, no substance, and makes the people that switch hate themselves for it(not as bad as windows 1.0 though).

what i meant by that is that at a software architecture level its still the same core as 2000, just more interface and small feature and interface updates. Very little real progress aside from rumored improvements to the task scheduler and multi processing support.

WinFS was the only major step forward, and it has been abandoned until a future service pack IIRC.

 

[RaiderJ]

People are panicking about HDCP, not DX10.

<-- Thinks HDCP will flop

 

[ShadowBlade]

<-- will be pissed if aeroglass doesnt work with DX9

 

[BFG10K]

It'll work.

 

[Markbnj]

what i meant by that is that at a software architecture level its still the same core as 2000, just more interface and small feature and interface updates. Very little real progress aside from rumored improvements to the task scheduler and multi processing support.

Whatever you think of Vista as a whole, I don't think this is a supportable statement. There was a link on /. a few days ago to an article listing all the changes and their significance, and there is a lot more to it. Security is one major area of change, although I won't expect it to actually be any better until I see it myself.

 

[hardcandy2]

From Wikkipedia:
System hardware requirements
Microsoft has not released final details of Windows Vista's hardware requirements; however, Microsoft has released some preliminary Windows Vista Ready PC Hardware requirements for those wishing to upgrade to Windows Vista and have the full Aero Glass experience. These requirements apply to Beta 1, and are subject to change. It has been said that Vista will be compatible with the new Apple-Intel architecture; this is because Vista supports Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI), which is the successor of BIOS.

CPU: x86-compatible 32-bit or x64-compatible 64-bit microprocessor(s) (Dual Core systems will be supported)
Motherboard: ACPI-compatible firmware is required.
Memory: At least 512 megabytes (Encouraged to use ECC memory [7])
Graphics Card: A DirectX 9?compatible GPU that is capable of supporting Windows Vista Display Driver Model (WVDDM) and has 64 megabytes of VRAM
Hard Drive space: At least 1.5 gigabytes for installation files, possibly more, depending on the version of Windows Vista
The following requirement is not applicable to beta 1, but has widely been reported to be applicable to the final version.
(The big fuss follows)
Display: Copy-restricted high-definition digital content, such as next-generation HD DVD movies, is intentionally displayed fuzzy unless viewed on a High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP)-compatible monitor. Very few existing displays and no retail video cards are compliant with this standard. [8][9][10]
[edit]
So new monitors and graphics cards, or some kind of adapter


Graphics hardware requirements
Vista's graphics requirements are defined in relation to the different desktop experiences.

Aero Glass

Aero Glass is the full Windows Vista desktop experience. Built on the new Desktop Compositing Engine, it adds support for 3D graphics, translucency, animation and other visual effects.

Intended for mainstream and high-end graphics cards.
64 MB of graphics memory recommended for 1024x768, 128 MB for 1600x1200+.
At least 32 bits per pixel.
3D hardware acceleration with capabilities equal to DirectX 9.0c.
A memory bandwidth of 2 GB/s, and as much 8 GB/s can be supported.
Capable of drawing ~1.5 M triangles / second, one window being ~150 triangles.
A graphics card that uses AGP 8X or PCI Express x16 bus.
Windows Vista Display Driver Model (WVDDM) Drivers.
It is likely that such a configuration will be an average configuration by Vista's release in 2006. During Vista's early alpha testing stages, the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro and the nVidia GeForce FX 5900 were the only cards compatible with Aero Glass. Since, support has been extended to most DirectX 9 Graphics cards. At this point, the nVidia FX family and up, and ATI Radeon 9500 and up are supported.

It is possible to disable the Glass translucency effects to improve performance with slower graphics cards.

Wikkipedia

 

[bigpow]

The number of users with G70 (or ATI DX9 GPU) are far less fewer than the rest of the world...
most of them are enthusiasts, who would like to have nothing but the latest technology.

I think 7800GT is still the card to have for the next couple of years - PLUS
Vista will arrive late this year (or most likely next year from previous releases) - PLUS
Nvidia/ATI will try to come up with a new Vista compliant drivers for the today's DX9 GPU lines

Would you upgrade to Vista right away?

 

[Brona]

WinFS seems to be an interesting structure indeed. I've searched over to find more info on it and came upon thsi source http://www.ntfs.com/ If you are also interested in this filesystem you can give it a look.

 

[Proprioceptive]

Guys, if you want good information on Vista, go to Paul Thurrott's site. He has a LOT of insight into Vista, it's shortcomings, advancements, and a lot of screenshots. Check it out. It's definitely worth it.

 

[lukx]

I was shocked when I've read that sound blaster hardware sound acceleration won't work in Vista!

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
It's not true, you'll be able to run Vista with DX9, but you won't be able to play HD DVDs or Blueray DVDs, also some of the bells/whistles of vista might not be useable.

Am i supposed to panic yet?

I would bet it will even run on a DX8 card. Also HD content that is protected by HDCP would be downscaled in resolution but it will still be playable. The only thing the DX10 will bring to Vista is some eye candy.

MS will want to sell as many copies as possible so they won't limit it too much. I am amazed at some of the older systems people run XP on.

Anybody who has purchased a computer in the last couple of years should be able to run Vista just fine.

There is no panic or worry. Some people just have nothing better to do.

 

[Tsuwamono]

Originally posted by: hardcandy2
From Wikkipedia:
System hardware requirements
Microsoft has not released final details of Windows Vista's hardware requirements; however, Microsoft has released some preliminary Windows Vista Ready PC Hardware requirements for those wishing to upgrade to Windows Vista and have the full Aero Glass experience. These requirements apply to Beta 1, and are subject to change. It has been said that Vista will be compatible with the new Apple-Intel architecture; this is because Vista supports Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI), which is the successor of BIOS.

CPU: x86-compatible 32-bit or x64-compatible 64-bit microprocessor(s) (Dual Core systems will be supported)
Motherboard: ACPI-compatible firmware is required.
Memory: At least 512 megabytes (Encouraged to use ECC memory [7])
Graphics Card: A DirectX 9?compatible GPU that is capable of supporting Windows Vista Display Driver Model (WVDDM) and has 64 megabytes of VRAM
Hard Drive space: At least 1.5 gigabytes for installation files, possibly more, depending on the version of Windows Vista
The following requirement is not applicable to beta 1, but has widely been reported to be applicable to the final version.
(The big fuss follows)
Display: Copy-restricted high-definition digital content, such as next-generation HD DVD movies, is intentionally displayed fuzzy unless viewed on a High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP)-compatible monitor. Very few existing displays and no retail video cards are compliant with this standard. [8][9][10]
[edit]
So new monitors and graphics cards, or some kind of adapter


Graphics hardware requirements
Vista's graphics requirements are defined in relation to the different desktop experiences.

Aero Glass

Aero Glass is the full Windows Vista desktop experience. Built on the new Desktop Compositing Engine, it adds support for 3D graphics, translucency, animation and other visual effects.

Intended for mainstream and high-end graphics cards.
64 MB of graphics memory recommended for 1024x768, 128 MB for 1600x1200+.
At least 32 bits per pixel.
3D hardware acceleration with capabilities equal to DirectX 9.0c.
A memory bandwidth of 2 GB/s, and as much 8 GB/s can be supported.
Capable of drawing ~1.5 M triangles / second, one window being ~150 triangles.
A graphics card that uses AGP 8X or PCI Express x16 bus.
Windows Vista Display Driver Model (WVDDM) Drivers.
It is likely that such a configuration will be an average configuration by Vista's release in 2006. During Vista's early alpha testing stages, the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro and the nVidia GeForce FX 5900 were the only cards compatible with Aero Glass. Since, support has been extended to most DirectX 9 Graphics cards. At this point, the nVidia FX family and up, and ATI Radeon 9500 and up are supported.

It is possible to disable the Glass translucency effects to improve performance with slower graphics cards.

Wikkipedia

Anyone else remember Windows 95 or 98? i heard it was also both 16 and 32 bit OS and it contributed to its downfall as an OS... please correct me if im wrong

 

[batmanuel]

Originally posted by: Tsuwamono

Anyone else remember Windows 95 or 98? i heard it was also both 16 and 32 bit OS and it contributed to its downfall as an OS... please correct me if im wrong

The big problem with Win95/98 wasn't that it was a 16/32 bit OS, but that it was a complicated GUI running on top of DOS. DOS lacked protected memory, so it was easy for applications to use the same memory address simultaneously - causing the programs or the OS to crash. This poor memory management also made multitasking a pain, and you were also limited to the amount of RAM you could reliably run (over 512MB and you started having to do all sorts of hacks to get the machine to see the RAM).

Despite these problems, Win98 was still a REALLY successful OS and worked really well for all but business users and content creators (who needed the stability of the NT kernel). Me was a piece of jumk, though, because they tried to add in some of the flash of Win2000 but the DOS subsystem just couldn't handle the demands of the upgraded featureset, so you had a crapload of memory leaks in the OS.

Back on topic, the only really major feature I am looking forward to in Vista is the Windows Presentation Foundation, which I hope will finally allow Adobe to add in some GPU acceleration into their Creative Suite apps (real time hardware accelerated previews in After Effects and Premiere, accelerated filters in Photoshop, vector acceleration in Illustrator). I happy that at least with Vista, all the flash added to the UI is actually backed up by a very useful upgrade in how the OS handles its display rendering.

On the downside, we likely won't see a version of Abode CS that can work withb WPF in Vista until at LEAST this time next year.