Direct X 10.a ??? What to expect.....

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nvfx

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When i bought mu Ti 4200 about 1.5 years ago, i wasnt happy of its performance in 3DMark03, i wasnt able to run Nature test, disappointing......

Now that i have planed to Buy a 9800 Pro, two BIG Time Questions come up....


1. What if Direct X 10. is released very shortly, than what about my 200+ $ Investment.
2. Than you can expect to see "3DMark 04-05" soon and see your card crushed by experiencing 5-8 FPS.

If suppose i buy a 9800 256 MB, will it be worth in Games like DOOM III, further more there is a case of power delivery by the Core, we already have the examples of Full Blown 9600's with 256 MB's having no sense........

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haha dont worry my friend we dont play benchmarks, theyre not the be all and end all of graphics, put simply there still isnt too many DX9 games come out yet. ok far cry and a few others and of course HL2 when/ if it ever comes out will be DX9 but they will still offer DX8.1 code paths and to be honest you would be hard pressed to notice a huge difference

i think an update to DX9 will be first.....were on DX9 b i think not sure. the 9800 will be a good buy and will probably last you a long time, tho the new cards are literally just around the corner you might want to wait and see how they perform.

ATI will have 3 new cards the X800XT (16 PIPELINES) X800 (12PIPELINES) AND X800SE (8 PIPELINES)

so for instance you might wanna see how the the X800 stacks up and see what price its gonna be. the X800se could also be a nice card for a nice price too.

but there are rumours that new ATI stuff wont have Pixel and vertex shader 3 which i would of thought would be in the DX10.

9800 will do you good i reckon....im thinking of gettin one once the new hardware comes out becuase theres not gonna be a alot that can take advantage of the new features and hardware in terms of games, and the new stuff will bring the prices of the old stuff down and hopefully ill end up with a "last time round" top of the range card :)
 
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Originally posted by: nvfx
When i bought mu Ti 4200 about 1.5 years ago, i wasnt happy of its performance in 3DMark03, i wasnt able to run Nature test, disappointing......

Now that i have planed to Buy a 9800 Pro, two BIG Time Questions come up....


1. What if Direct X 10. is released very shortly, than what about my 200+ $ Investment.
2. Than you can expect to see "3DMark 04-05" soon and see your card crushed by experiencing 5-8 FPS.

If suppose i buy a 9800 256 MB, will it be worth in Games like DOOM III, further more there is a case of power delivery by the Core, we already have the examples of Full Blown 9600's with 256 MB's having no sense........

Thanks
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Answer to question #1: From my knowledge, DirectX 10 will not be released until Microsoft releases their next big operating system, Longhorn. When will that be? Not until atleast 2006. So you still have a couple of years :D. Your investment of $200 will last you atleast a couple of years. Also, the newest and greatest cards are being released within the next couple of weeks. This means the 9800 Pro will come down in price to make way for the new cards. I am waiting on this expected price decrease to pick up a 9800 Pro myself, hopefully for around $150 :D.

Answer to question #2: With 3DMark04/05, yes, it will crush a 9800 Pro most definitely. But this is the facts of life. The next 3DMark is atleast another year away I'd think, and the 9800 Pro will currently do great numbers in the current 3DMark. My advice? Don't worry about something that's a year or two away. Think about right now. Even if the next 3DMark does cripple your system, no games will for atleast a couple more years after that. 3DMark03 was released early last year. The first game to even seem to get near quality graphics? Far Cry, which was just released last month, 1 year, 2 months after.

Not sure if a 256MB card will prove worth the money for future games like Doom III, beacuse they aren't actually released yet. We'll see on that one, though :).
 
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DirectX 10?
OK, we've just got a handfull (literally, you can't even count them all on one hand!) of DX 9 games, and they run fine in DX 8 hardware. To top that off, 9.x will be around as the current spec until around 2007.

If you weren't happy with a Ti 4200 when it was new, you will NEVER BE HAPPY with a video card's performance. EVER (I'm personally waiting for 9800 Pros to get below $200...as soon as that happens, I'm nabbing one).
 
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Well guys, thank again......You all are right by the way, i know when 3Dmark 03 came and the games using Dx 9.0 never followed, yet as we all still know, even the current beast can in one way or the other be shown to fail gving 30 FPS.

You can simply pump up the resolution and turn on all AA and AS, specially in games like what you guys said Far Cry, than you will indeed suffer performance.

I have been a long gamer and understand that while playing High Paced Games, one concentrates more towards gameplay than to admire graphics. BUT time has come may be, we are starting to see something we always asked " Reality " so if that really is the case, than a budget person would never be able to spend some 200 $ every six months just to see there games Run smooth.

And its not the case of the Hardware limitations.

In 2002, i played GP 4 by geff cramond, and would you believe the game never showed more than 20-25 FPS even on the newly released Gf4 Ti. In the same year, the release of the game MAFIA (perhaps still the best action/story game of all time) Kicked some serious stuff.

So if programmers want they can make the existing Hardware Slow down, which is quite easy, but to improve on Hardware technology is quite a difficult job.

I heard INTEL i think in 1999-00 claiming they would break the 10 Ghz bracket in 5 Years, those 5 Years are closing quick and Intel is only expected to reach upto 6 Ghz.

Only the Manufacturers know the real thing, as an end user we are simply at thier mercy in buying a proc/AGP today for 500 $ while will be sold for 200 $ next year.

What is going On..:confused:
 
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I thínk that game companies makes games for the broadest market. At the moment a game should run fine on a 9600XT or similar. With FarCry, HL2 and doomIII we're moving towards 9800pro or similar, but if you want to run them with FSAA and AF you'll need next gen. cards. I think that the 9800pro will be able to run most games fine (maybe with some settings below max) until 2006-7 where next gen. of game engines starts to appear.

I buy videocards when their features are needed therefor I just bought a 9800pro. It now has a good price/performance ratio. Granted, I can't turn on FSAA in the new games, but that's not that important to me when I can save money. I wouldn't expect games widely using DX10 until 2006 or later, so I'll wait to buy a DX10 videocard at that time.
 
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3d mark 03 kills my 9600XT but i can play every game out there (including far cry) with high details with ease. I wouldn't worry about it.
 
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What if? Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda. If you want to be on the edge, you have to get a good performing card that runs the capabilities in the hardware. That means upgrade every 12-18 months. When directx10 comes out we will have to adjust. Hope all works out for you.
 
Soulkeeper

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don't buy a new video card because a new api update comes out (happens often with DX)
get a new video card only when you see games/apps that require something you don't have that you think you need :)

good luck
 
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I have just tried max pane 2 on my geforce 3 ti200, I was pleasently surprised that even with quite a lot of details,(including 2 x AA) it ran at 70fps on 800*600. So really I would wait a while until the next family of cards are released then when you find a game that you like that runs like cr@p upgrade.
 
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Originally posted by: biostud666
Originally posted by: Gusty987
Can a video card with directx 8 run Far Cry, Halo, HL2, etc?
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Yes, but with details set to low.
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i'd say....with the dx8.1 codepath...details set depending on what the card is
on my 4200 in the sig...i run everything on "high" in far cry at 1024 and get a happy 30-50fps
given, 30fps isn't enough for everyone...i'm happy with it till i can get a new card.

-Vivan
 
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i upgraded my opengl drivers for UT
and now i get like 100fps versus 50-60fps with dx
i was surprised
and this is at 1600x1200 with my ti4200 no AA a little AF

 
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