Discussion Dimensity 9300; The end of an era for the Cortex A5xx core?

[hemedans]

This thread dead or what?

I find the 3× X5 + 5× A725 setup of the D9400 interesting.

What does it tell us about Cortex X5 (BlackHawk)? Perhaps Blackhawk is so powerful that they shifted from a 4+4 to 3+5?

It's bizarre all the weird cote configurations in flagship mobile CPUs these days.

Back in the day 1+3+4 was the norm.

Now we are seeing 1+4+3 (8G2), 1+5+2 (8G5), 4+4 (D9300), 1+4+4 (Tensor G3), 1+5+4 (Exynos 2400).

Soon we are getting 3+5 !

We still need more data but Exynos 2400 looks like unexpected winner in this year Flagship soc.

These X core are good in synthetic benchmarks but in reality they use too much power for phone to handle. What's the point of having 3 ore 4 of them if phone sustain around 3-5 watts?

I hope Oryon will stop this and promote Efficient cores more.

 

[Tup3x]

We still need more data but Exynos 2400 looks like unexpected winner in this year Flagship soc.

These X core are good in synthetic benchmarks but in reality they use too much power for phone to handle. What's the point of having 3 ore 4 of them if phone sustain around 3-5 watts?

I hope Oryon will stop this and promote Efficient cores more.

Golden Reviewer did some tests:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1750233909575737713

https://twitter.com/x/status/1750213147582193908

In short, it's slower with worse efficiency when compared to Snapdragon. Ray tracing is exception though. Also that 23W peak in Geekbench 6...

 

[hemedans]

Golden Reviewer did some tests:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1750233909575737713

https://twitter.com/x/status/1750213147582193908

In short, it's slower with worse efficiency when compared to Snapdragon. Ray tracing is exception though. Also that 23W peak in Geekbench 6...

Geekbench 6 use all 10 cores? That's new to me. Also this guy is not reliable, better wait for more reputable reviewers.

This Korean reviewer got 4.5W in GB 6

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And this vietnamese one had 4.8W while playing genshini impact which was lower than both D9300 and Sd 8 gen 3.

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Genshini is not reliable benchmark because OEM do cheat on Texture and resolution but still that power usage is really good.

 

[FlameTail]

Genshini is not reliable benchmark because OEM do cheat on Texture and resolution but still that power usage is really gogood.

Genshin doesn't allow you to measure peak power consumption. It's a game.

 

[gdansk]

Wow, imagine being worse at raytracing than RDNA3.
Why even put it on a phone SoC then

 

[hemedans]

Genshin doesn't allow you to measure peak power consumption. It's a game.

I know, but if measured correctly can show you at what extent your phone will be able to sustain heavy apps,

 

[Shivansps]

Well this happens when people want their phones to have pc-level of performance, because ARM arch cant do magic.

 

[FlameTail]

Mediatek keeps winning.

The Nothing company has chosen the Mediatek "Dimensity 7200 Pro" SoC for their upcoming midrange smartphone.

The video contains some nice technical details.

For instance, the presenter explains that they could have gone with either the Snapragon 7s Gen 2 or Snapdragon 782G for this phone, instead of the Mediatek one- for the same price point.

But the 7s Gen 2 and 782G are kinda mediocre chips, and the presenter acknowledges this.

It's not that Snapdragons are worse than Dimensities, but rather that for a given price point- the Mediatek SoC outperforms the Snapdragon one.

Also they worked with Mediatek to make some optimizations to the modem and Display IC, to reduce power consumption.

Mediatek overtook Qualcomm recently to become the #1 smartphone SoC vendor by volume, and it looks like it will stay that way.

 

[hemedans]

Mediatek keeps winning.

The Nothing company has chosen the Mediatek "Dimensity 7200 Pro" SoC for their upcoming midrange smartphone.

The video contains some nice technical details.

For instance, the presenter explains that they could have gone with either the Snapragon 7s Gen 2 or Snapdragon 782G for this phone, instead of the Mediatek one- for the same price point.

But the 7s Gen 2 and 782G are kinda mediocre chips, and the presenter acknowledges this.

It's not that Snapdragons are worse than Dimensities, but rather that for a given price point- the Mediatek SoC outperforms the Snapdragon one.

Also they worked with Mediatek to make some optimizations to the modem and Display IC, to reduce power consumption.

Mediatek overtook Qualcomm recently to become the #1 smartphone SoC vendor by volume, and it looks like it will stay that way.

You were just criticing Samsung for using weaker soc (Exynos 1480) but this soc is much weaker than that Exynos and has no business in any phone cost $300 or more.

Dimensity 7200 has 2 perfomance cores and will lose to any 4 perfomance cores which came out recently.

They just choose it for profit purpose, otherwise for price they charge Dimensity 8300, Snapdragon 7 gen 3, snapdragon 7+ gen 2 etc made more sense.

 

[FlameTail]

You were just criticing Samsung for using weaker soc (Exynos 1480) but this soc is much weaker than that Exynos and has no business in any phone cost $300 or more.

Dimensity 7200 has 2 perfomance cores and will lose to any 4 perfomance cores which came out recently.

They just choose it for profit purpose, otherwise for price they charge Dimensity 8300, Snapdragon 7 gen 3, snapdragon 7+ gen 2 etc made more sense.

Except that, the rumoured price is said to be $300/€350. At that price, it's an OK SoC.

A55 is in another class, costing $450-$500.

Anyways, Phone 2a will be unveiled tommorow, so we'll see what the price is.

 

[hemedans]

Except that, the rumoured price is said to be $300/€350. At that price, it's an OK SoC.

A55 is in another class, costing $450-$500.

Anyways, Phone 2a will be unveiled tommorow, so we'll see what the price is.

Even at that price still A55 is better deal, two perfomance cores will bottleneck lot of things.

 

[Panino Manino]

Even at that price still A55 is better deal, two perfomance cores will bottleneck lot of things.

Do you buy phones or SoCs?

 

[hemedans]

Do you buy phones or SoCs?

Soc in phone is really important though, it dictate lot of things like wifi, Bluetooth, Modem, type of Ram, Cpu, Gpu, Camera isp, storage etc.

Phone can have best Camera sensor but it you pair it with lowend soc result won't be good.

 

[FlameTail]

MediaTek Is Now Working With Every Android Smartphone Brand, With The Exception Of Google, As It Shifts Focus Towards Premium 5G Chipsets

MediaTek has successfully secured all Android smartphone brands besides Google as it aims to become the number one premium chipset maker

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MediaTek pip Apple & Qualcomm to emerge as the most popular smartphone chipset vendor in 2023 - Gizmochina

Chipmaker MediaTek has been named the most popular SoC vendor at the end of 2023. The company is reputed for manufacturing the fastest smartphone processor ever produced. The MediaTek Dimensity 9300 and other MediaTek offerings are the dominant chipsets in the smartphone market currently. A new...

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Mediatek dominates, at the cost of Qualcomm.

They are working almost every smartphone brand, and have emerged as the #1 smartphone SoC maker of 2023.

 

[hemedans]

MediaTek Is Now Working With Every Android Smartphone Brand, With The Exception Of Google, As It Shifts Focus Towards Premium 5G Chipsets

MediaTek has successfully secured all Android smartphone brands besides Google as it aims to become the number one premium chipset maker

wccftech.com

MediaTek pip Apple & Qualcomm to emerge as the most popular smartphone chipset vendor in 2023 - Gizmochina

Chipmaker MediaTek has been named the most popular SoC vendor at the end of 2023. The company is reputed for manufacturing the fastest smartphone processor ever produced. The MediaTek Dimensity 9300 and other MediaTek offerings are the dominant chipsets in the smartphone market currently. A new...

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Mediatek dominates, at the cost of Qualcomm.

They are working almost every smartphone brand, and have emerged as the #1 smartphone SoC maker of 2023.

Mediatek is no 1 for few years now and it's because of Samsung, almost all Samsung lowend use mtk.

In premium market its vice versa, Qualcomm dominate it, this is from 2022 but it can give you rough idea.

 

[FlameTail]

Mediatek is no 1 for few years now and it's because of Samsung, almost all Samsung lowend use mtk.

In premium market its vice versa, Qualcomm dominate it, this is from 2022 but it can give you rough idea.
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Yes but even in the Flagship segment, Qualcomm's dominance is eroding.

A lot of top Chinese phones are opting to use Mediatek's Dimensity 9000 series chips.

Samsung is returning to using Exynos in the S series (2023 was all Snapdragon).

Google has ditched Snapdragon and is using their Tensor.

 

[hemedans]

Yes but even in the Flagship segment, Qualcomm's dominance is eroding.

A lot of top Chinese phones are opting to use Mediatek's Dimensity 9000 series chips.

Samsung is returning to using Exynos in the S series (2023 was all Snapdragon).

Google has ditched Snapdragon and is using their Tensor.

You have supporting data showing that?

 

[Tup3x]

You have supporting data showing that?

Things have changed quite a bit since 2022. Vivo X100 series for example is using MediaTek. There's Oppo Find X7 (non-ultra) and bunch of other phones too. In the future we'll probably see Dimensity in many other high end phone. Not just low to mid.

 

[FlameTail]

I posted a chart in the Qualcomm thread. Let me find it....

 

[FlameTail]

Here it is.

Well, I guess the data doesn't support my argument?

 

[FlameTail]

Recent tweet by @Tech_Reve



So Dimensity 9000 series doesn't yet have the volume of Snapdragon 8 series, I concur.

 

[moinmoin]

Sounds like MediaTek didn't expect its own growth potential there and there's plenty room still. If there's any truth to Samsung being interested in Dimensity for Galaxy S we may well see it being manufactured at Samsung Semiconductor. 😏

 

[FlameTail]

Sounds like MediaTek didn't expect its own growth potential there and there's plenty room still. If there's any truth to Samsung being interested in Dimensity for Galaxy S we may well see it being manufactured at Samsung Semiconductor. 😏

Well, Revegnus refutes that rumour. To be frank, it's a rumour that doesn't make sense.

Samsung is already dual sourcing from Qualcomm and Samsung LSI.

 

[moinmoin]

Well, Revegnus refutes that rumour. To be frank, it's a rumour that doesn't make sense.

Samsung is already dual sourcing from Qualcomm and Samsung LSI.

I don't think Revegnus last argument against the rumour works that well. Samsung having such a big dependency on Qualcomm is not something to be preserved but something to be reduced. Before MediaTek with Dimensity there just wasn't any real external option.

 

[hemedans]

Things have changed quite a bit since 2022. Vivo X100 series for example is using MediaTek. There's Oppo Find X7 (non-ultra) and bunch of other phones too. In the future we'll probably see Dimensity in many other high end phone. Not just low to mid.

Even that time they used Mediatek, plenty of phones had Dimensity 9000 but didn't sell well.


This graph show premium phones, as you can see there 93% of those phone don't use Mtk soc in their flagship, Xiaomi and Oppo majority of phones use Snapdragon, you have others with 4% and even that has likes of Sony, Asus, Red magic etc.