Dilemma vis a vis my Silverado.....keep/repair or sell?

Meghan54

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OK......I've got an '03 Silverado, reg. cab and bed, 5.3L V-8. Nothing really special, although it did take a minute to find it back in '13 when I bought it. This is her:

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Anyway, three weeks ago, pulling out of the grocery store parking lot onto our town's main drag, the truck spit out a spark plug. Limped home and, needing it on the road ASAP, "fixed" it with a HeliCoil Sav-A-Thread insert, just like this one:
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https://www.amazon.com/Helicoil-533...63388&sr=8-1&keywords=sav+a+thread+spark+plug

Now, the truck's running nicely, although I've not given her anywhere near full throttle since the repair. (And I cheated. The first attempt at the repair sorta failed in that the recommended high temp silicone sealant to be used to "fix" the insert in the head didn't....insert came out the day after being put in when I removed the spark plug. I used a new insert and LocTite....hasn't moved since.)

Anyway, now the time for a decision is upon me. Really, the only "true" fix to the head is replacement, but the truck's now got 162K miles on it, and a new/rebuilt head slapped on that engine will just about guarantee the lower end will fail prematurely.

Of course, the dilemma is to keep/repair or sell. Now, to most, selling would be the obvious answer, but it's just not that simple. I searched for quite a while before finding this truck. It had meticulous maintenance records, was and is still in great condition, incl. no rust whatsoever, has almost every option I need, except I wish it did have power seats. The truck was purchased new as a 2 yr. lease and when turned in, was immediately purchased by the lessee's son, who kept it from '05-'13.

I actually got to talk at length on the phone to the second owner---his dad was the original lessee of the truck. The dealership I purchased it from was the original selling/leasing dealer in '03 and was the dealership that did all maintenance on her. When I was looking at the truck, they even put her in the shop and up on a lift so we could inspect. Never had a dealership ever offer to do that, much less do it.

The truck still had its original window sticker, all manuals, everything. Not one scrap of info or accessories that came with the truck was missing. It had a set of Michelin tires on her, although they were well used and were replaced a few months after we bought the truck with another set of Michelins. (One of my philosophies about buying vehicles......if the previous owner cheaped out on tires, what other corners were cut/maintenance ignored? Buying Michelins, or another premium brand tire, kinda points towards the owner being willing to spend the money needed on other areas of the vehicle in maintenance, etc. At least that's my view on things.....may be right, may be wrong, but it works for me.)

I love the truck. I doubt it'll be any less difficult to find another with the pedigree this one had when I found her, and I hate to give her up. She's comfortable, reliable (until the spark plug got spit out), and gas mileage isn't horrid.....average is 18.5mpg right now.

So, I really don't want to sell and buy something that may be a can of worms. Replacing the head is an option, but will probably hasten replacing the engine. Replacing the engine is probably the road I'm going to travel down.....looking at sticking in a rebuilt 6.0L in place of the 5.3L. A tad more power (50hp increase) for not much more than the cost of the 5.3. Unsure of the labor to replace the motor, tho. Certain it's more than a nickle.

There is an alternative that's been mentioned to me. Take it to a Ford dealer and have them put a TimeSert in. Since Ford dealers should have plenty of experience putting those in (Triton engines, anyone?), it should be a snap and they're supposed to be a true "permanent" fix.
http://www.timesert.com/

What would you attempt? Put money into the TimeSert first? (What I'm leaning towards.) Replace head? (Prob. $500 for head and gasket set, labor probably as much. And then, most likely will hasten ring failure/blowbuy.) Sell? (Least attractive option in my eyes.)
 
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pcgeek11

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OK......

Anyway, now the time for a decision is upon me. Really, the only "true" fix to the head is replacement, but the truck's now got 162K miles on it, and a new/rebuilt head slapped on that engine will just about guarantee the lower end will fail prematurely.

I'm not understanding your logic here. A new / rebuilt head should not cause a failure of any kind.
 

spaceman

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if you want to keep it
buy a reman engine
original tranny? ..ask yourself how much life does it have left, has the tranny been serviced ever?
or go with cheap fix til it blows then buy rebuilt engine(what i would do)
 

thedarkwolf

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Or just drive it as is. The helicoil should be fine and if does become a problem then fix it TimeSert. What is the downside here? The spark plug blows out again and you drive home on 7 cylinders and then you fix it.
 

pauldun170

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I'm not understanding your logic here. A new / rebuilt head should not cause a failure of any kind.

Agree.

Helicoils should be fine but may back out next time you change the spark plugs. If that happens you can drop another helicoil in there or go the timesert route. You should be able to beat on the car as desired until then. In other words, the helicoil repair should be good until the next time you change the spark plugs. If you used loktite, then that might not even be a problem.

Timeserts are a permanent repair.
For popped plugs, I wouldn't even think of replacing the head unless the cost of purchasing and installing the head is cheaper than timeserting it.

My vote is timesert as needed. Make sure you follow the instructions and vac up any shavings in the cylinder.
Keep the truck and enjoy it.
The helicoil repair fine. If another plug pops, you can go the timesert route.

Popped plugs are a nuisance. They are not a sign of impending doom.
 

RLGL

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Absolutely nothing wrong with a re-man head. I am running one on my '96 F 150
 

slashbinslashbash

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Yeah I don't see any reason not to just run it as-is until you have more issues.

Buying a replacement engine and getting it installed shouldn't be unreasonably expensive, and I'd probably do that before I'd replace a head on a 160k V-engine. Those 5.3's are some of the most common engines on the road and not very hard/expensive to source either used with low miles, or rebuilt. It would ultimately come down to the money, but if it were (say) $1500 to do the head and $4k for a rebuilt engine, I'd go for the rebuilt engine. (These numbers are guesses, but educated guesses.) I guess if proportionately the head were more than 1/3rd of the total engine, I'd do the total engine; less than 1/5, and I'd probably just do the head. In-between, it would depend on my money situation more than anything, most likely.

I'd probably replace the tranny with a rebuilt at the same time, unless it's been done within the last 30k or so. (In my experience, the 4L60E and its predecessors will last 80-120k before needing replacement. The nice thing is that every transmission shop in town can slip one in with their eyes closed, and they're cheap enough to not really care ($1500-2000 installed).
 

Meghan54

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I'm not understanding your logic here. A new / rebuilt head should not cause a failure of any kind.

The failure happens because you've changed how well the cylinders on the side with the new head seal, which will increase compression. The old valves and rings wore as a unit. Now, you've got a head with "perfectly" sealing valves with rings that don't. The rings eventually begin to increased oil consumption.

Seen it happen before......
 

Meghan54

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Yeah I don't see any reason not to just run it as-is until you have more issues.

Buying a replacement engine and getting it installed shouldn't be unreasonably expensive, and I'd probably do that before I'd replace a head on a 160k V-engine. Those 5.3's are some of the most common engines on the road and not very hard/expensive to source either used with low miles, or rebuilt. It would ultimately come down to the money, but if it were (say) $1500 to do the head and $4k for a rebuilt engine, I'd go for the rebuilt engine. (These numbers are guesses, but educated guesses.) I guess if proportionately the head were more than 1/3rd of the total engine, I'd do the total engine; less than 1/5, and I'd probably just do the head. In-between, it would depend on my money situation more than anything, most likely.

I'd probably replace the tranny with a rebuilt at the same time, unless it's been done within the last 30k or so. (In my experience, the 4L60E and its predecessors will last 80-120k before needing replacement. The nice thing is that every transmission shop in town can slip one in with their eyes closed, and they're cheap enough to not really care ($1500-2000 installed).


Actually, a rebuilt 5.3L is only around $1700 with 3 yr. warranty. (Long block)

But I'm sorta inclined to let the truck run with the insert until it fails, then address the problem at that point, again. Unfortunately, my wife likes to drive the truck and I hate the idea of it failing while she's using it.

And I know it can limp home on 7 cyls, but the power is really, really cut down as the engine goes into limp mode and there's like no power at all. It did this when it initially failed, fortunately while I was driving. Nice light show on the dash when it happens, tho.

Not too worried about the trans. Serviced every 50K, from new. If it fails, it gets yanked and another slid into place.....trans replacement is vastly cheaper compared to engine replacement.
 

NutBucket

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The failure happens because you've changed how well the cylinders on the side with the new head seal, which will increase compression. The old valves and rings wore as a unit. Now, you've got a head with "perfectly" sealing valves with rings that don't. The rings eventually begin to increased oil consumption.

Seen it happen before......
Honestly that's just a coincidence IMHO. It's very common to have a head rebuilt when it's already off for a head gasket replacement or something.

Anyway, after the helicoil can you still install the proper timesert? That would be my concern.
 
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pcgeek11

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The failure happens because you've changed how well the cylinders on the side with the new head seal, which will increase compression. The old valves and rings wore as a unit. Now, you've got a head with "perfectly" sealing valves with rings that don't. The rings eventually begin to increased oil consumption.

Seen it happen before......

More bad luck than anything involving a head rebuild.
 

slashbinslashbash

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Actually, a rebuilt 5.3L is only around $1700 with 3 yr. warranty. (Long block)

But I'm sorta inclined to let the truck run with the insert until it fails, then address the problem at that point, again. Unfortunately, my wife likes to drive the truck and I hate the idea of it failing while she's using it.

And I know it can limp home on 7 cyls, but the power is really, really cut down as the engine goes into limp mode and there's like no power at all. It did this when it initially failed, fortunately while I was driving. Nice light show on the dash when it happens, tho.

Not too worried about the trans. Serviced every 50K, from new. If it fails, it gets yanked and another slid into place.....trans replacement is vastly cheaper compared to engine replacement.

So the engine installed is probably more like $3k then (or $4k if you replace more parts at the same time, like water pump, oil pump, hoses, etc.). No-brainer IMO, when you have a major problem forget about the head, just go for the rebuilt engine. The single spark plug could have just been a fluke, no need to worry over something that might never happen.
 

Pacfanweb

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Drive it as it. Drive the hell out of it. If it fails, put a head on it.

LS motors are damn near indestructible. Some of the best motors ever made by anyone. Guys are getting 200k mile motors out of wrecked vehicles and putting turbos on them and the lower ends are still handling up to 800 hp with no problem. Changing out a head on a stock engine won't hurt a thing.
 

NutBucket

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Fords had an issue because of poor design. As I recall there wasn't enough thread in the head to secure the plug long term.

i believe what happens is a plug works itself loose and over time the stress of the plug moving with every compression stroke just puts too much stress on the threads and they fail.

Years ago I had a plug work itself loose. Luckily it caused the car to run funny so I quickly found/fixed it.
 

dainthomas

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If the truck's paid for, I'd just put a new motor in. Way cheaper and less hassle than going out and finding a new one.