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[Digitimes] Haswell-E coming 3Q14 @$1000

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ShintaiDK said:
LGA2011(-3) chips dont have IGP. Only LGA11xx.
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I knew that. But does it mean that without a discrete graphics card a systewm with these cpus will not work at all or the cpu alone can run the display? Because if the former is the case, a graphics card gone bad means your whole system is dead until the card is fixed. That would be a nightmare.
 
Too expensive, and too late for that price and process node. I'd like to see an AMD Kaveri/Excavator based 8 core CPU instead, with close to Haswell-E performance at $500 or so.
 
Fjodor2001 said:
Too expensive, and too late for that price and process node. I'd like to see an AMD Kaveri/Excavator based 8 core CPU instead, with close to Haswell-E performance at $500 or so.
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while we're in unreasonable expectation fantasy land mode here, why not ask for a 10 core broadwell CPU on 1150 for $150, oh and it draws less power than an ARM CPU and we can get it in tablets, and the iGPU is better than GK110 🙄
 
bunnyfubbles said:
while we're in unreasonable expectation fantasy land mode here, why not ask for a 10 core broadwell CPU on 1150 for $150, oh and it draws less power than an ARM CPU and we can get it in tablets, and the iGPU is better than GK110 🙄
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The 8C (4M/8T) FX-8350 is sold for $180. Replace the cores with Steamroller/Excavator based ones, use a later process node, and increase the price 200-300%. Should not be unrealistic.
 
Fjodor2001 said:
The 8C (4M/8T) FX-8350 is sold for $180. Replace the cores with Steamroller/Excavator based ones, use a later process node, and increase the price 200-300%. Should not be unrealistic.
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AMD thinks its unrealistic. And the current sales of the FX 8 cores is in the ground.
 
Fjodor2001 said:
The 8C (4M/8T) FX-8350 is sold for $180. Replace the cores with Steamroller/Excavator based ones, use a later process node, and increase the price 200-300%. Should not be unrealistic.
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Well in that case, the reality would be that no one would buy that if it still cant get close to an i7.

What I would like to see is an 4M/8T APU after like 6 months after Kaveri launch that can compete with atleast an i5.

A higher core count APU seems more optimistic as AMD has officially abandoned AM3+.
 
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Too expensive, this is what's going to happen now that AMD can't offer something competative, over pricing chips. It's a shame really 🙁
 
Fjodor2001 said:
The 8C (4M/8T) FX-8350 is sold for $180. Replace the cores with Steamroller/Excavator based ones, use a later process node, and increase the price 200-300%. Should not be unrealistic.
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If amd releases 8c excavator Intel just releases 8c broadwell or 12c if that is needed. Thats what is preventing amd from doing it. No matter how fast exc is Intel holds a significant node advantage. Broadwell is probably far slimmer than exc as exc looks quite beefed up.
But it would be great if 8c exv is released. It would mean an overnight doubling of cores for us desktop consumers. At the same price.
Intel E models have a gigantic markup even for Intel standards. I have absolutely no problem imagining 8c Intel q1 2015 and excav 8c at same time for 200-400usd. Intels solution far, far better efficiency and a little bit faster and cheaper to produce. I dont really think the market is important in any way. Haswell desktops is just an oc mobile processor with a different name. But it would be great for us desktop nerds 😉
 
krumme said:
If amd releases 8c excavator Intel just releases 8c broadwell or 12c if that is needed. Thats what is preventing amd from doing it. No matter how fast exc is Intel holds a significant node advantage. Broadwell is probably far slimmer than exc as exc looks quite beefed up.
But it would be great if 8c exv is released. It would mean an overnight doubling of cores for us desktop consumers. At the same price.
Intel E models have a gigantic markup even for Intel standards. I have absolutely no problem imagining 8c Intel q1 2015 and excav 8c at same time for 200-400usd. Intels solution far, far better efficiency and a little bit faster and cheaper to produce. I dont really think the market is important in any way. Haswell desktops is just an oc mobile processor with a different name. But it would be great for us desktop nerds 😉
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By that logic we should have had 8 core Intel desktop models last year, if not even the year before that. Oh wait, we didnt get that. Because it seems you forgot per core performance. If FX series and AMDs uarch didnt perform so appaling as they do, then something like the FX8350 would be 999$. Remember how the segmentation works? The top bin Kaveri will cost something like 139$, because it performs (something)like 139$. And Excavator wont change that.

Just look at how few 6 and 8 core CPUs AMD sold.

Also we could be even more brutal and call it 4 cores instead of 8. AMDs 2M/4T funny enough also directly competes with i3/Pentium.
 
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$1000 bucks!!! That has to be some sort of extreme edition... otherwise Intel is nuts.

Regardless, cooling this thing is going to be next to impossible. Expect little to no room for overclocking anymore, it's just going to be a battle with the heat that few will want to win.
 
Yeah it kind of sucks, because normally the same cores are sold for less in the K version. I don't think I would like the 8 core version if it clocks poorly. Ivy-E didn't clock as well as expected despite the solder, so we'll have to wait, like forever, to see. Breaking out my cryonics kit. Thaw me out when this chip gets reviewed.
 
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