games slowly start to take use of more cores.Why is the i7 killing the i5 at the same clock speed?
Is HT making a bigger difference than usual?
Both have 4 cores. The i7 just adds 2mb cache and Hyperthreading.games slowly start to take use of more cores.
nothing new really, i would only consider i5 for a budget build nowadays. i7(or maybe zen) or better for a main gaming rig in 2017. The consoles being 8 cores is starting to make a difference in pc games thread utilization.
Both have 4 cores. The i7 just adds 2mb cache and Hyperthreading.
We know that the i7 can handle more threads via HT, but I have always heard that the HT does not add enough performance to justify buying an i7 over an i5 for gaming.
The i7 is an 8 thread chip, but a true 8 core 8 thread chip at the same clock speed would kill it.
I would not consider my i5 build a budget build, My cpu cost me $150 used and will be faster than most systems out there. It pushes my $400 gtx1070 just fine.
My motherboard and ram cost me like $300!
Yea, I really don't get most people's philosophy about getting a souped up motherboard, but skimp (relatively speaking) on a processor. Your combo (in your own words) cost $450 for CPU/Mobo/Memory. For the same or less price, you could get a i7-6700 ($275) / H110/170 Mobo ($75-$100) / 16GB ($75) memory.
Not over a year ago when I bought it. The 6700k was like $385 when I bought my motherboard and ram. 16gb of DDR4 3000 was over $150. My motherboard is at the same price now on newegg as when I bought it. ~150$
I made good use of the original i3 6100 @ 4.5 , I paid $124 for that and sold it for $90.
That's over 60fps for over a year for $35.
I would never buy junk H110 boards.
I would not consider my i5 build a budget build, My cpu cost me $150 used and will be faster than most systems out there. It pushes my $400 gtx1070 just fine.
My motherboard and ram cost me like $300!
You can call it whatever you want but as posted in post #9 i5's in CPU bound games are scoring closer to i3 in FPS now that they are to a i7.
The days of 4 thread CPU's being all you need for gaming is quickly coming to a end. They arnt there yet, but they are getting close. And since in this CPU's dont get much better for 6+ years world we live in now if you are building a gaming rig now you might as well go for a i7 and keep it for a long time and not worry about it, vs buying a i5 now and upgrading to a i7 in 1-2 years.
We know that the i7 can handle more threads via HT, but I have always heard that the HT does not add enough performance to justify buying an i7 over an i5 for gaming.
So one game that Shows a stock i5 6600 running 60 fps means an i5 7600 @ 4.5 won't cut it ?That started changing a while back.
Now in some cases even a stock clocked i7 2600K (or even a FX8350) can beat a stock clocked Skylake Core i5 6600 (although the core scaling seen below is probably the best of its kind):
http://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/watch-dogs-2-test-gpu
So one game that Shows a stock i5 6600 running 60 fps means an i5 7600 @ 4.5 won't cut it ?
What is your point of this post?
Of course an i5 7600 @ 4.5 will work, but so will a i7 2600K @ 4.5.....and the i7 2600K would be faster yet again.
So the point of the post is that a 4C/8T with lower single thread can beat a 4C/4T with higher single thread.
So one game that Shows a stock i5 6600 running 60 fps means an i5 7600 @ 4.5 won't cut it ?
What is your point of this post?
It's not about cutting it as it is about "worth".
People pay a $300 premium for a GTX 1080 over a GTX 1070 because it is 30% faster. Why won't they pay a $100 premium for a i7-6700K vs a i7-6600K when it can net them the same 30% gains?
Crysis 3 really loves 8 threads...
So you would argue that i5 @ 4.5 Ghz with DDR4 @ 3000 would be outclassed by i7 @ 3.7Ghz and DDR4 @ 2133?Yea, I really don't get most people's philosophy about getting a souped up motherboard, but skimp (relatively speaking) on a processor. Your combo (in your own words) cost $450 for CPU/Mobo/Memory. For the same or less price, you could get a i7-6700 ($275) / H110/170 Mobo ($75-$100) / 16GB ($75) memory.
That's an interesting concept: choosing a CPU that is fit for your needs, based on your workloads in gaming or otherwise.So many people on these forums assume everyone plays shooters. Most of the games I play are completely CPU bound (unless you are using integrated graphics). My old 7870 would run them at max...but they still manage to bring a 6700k at 4.6 to its knees late game.