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yhelothar

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Originally posted by: jiwq
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: randomlinh
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Auryg
Hmm..alright.

So the kit lens on most DSLRs don't usually include a zoom?

How much would a lens with a big zoom cost?

Yes the kit lens does have zoom.
Again, as elfenix said, if you just want a big, slow zoom for your DSLR, then might as well get a P&S. The quality won't be much better.
A cheapo 28-300mm(11x zoom), costs $250. The quality won't be too good though. A 50mm F/1.4 lens costs $200-$300, or $50 for a used one, and will beat the quality of any lens, not to mention the amazing low light capabilities.
Basically quality over quantitiy. Get something that does the one thing very well, or get something that does everything, but none of them very well.


how in the world did you go from $200-$300 for a new 50 f/1.4 to $50 used ... please tell me where to buy :)

eBay for an old Pentax prime. ;)

Here's an example of a really nice 50/1.4 for $50...
M42 screwmount Pentax Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50mm f/1.4. This is one of my favorite lenses, in fact. Its results can be simply gorgeous.....An engineer at a Japanese camera company told me that if this lens were manufactured and marketed today, it would most likely have to sell for $1,200 to $1,500. I got mine for $60. (Well, okay, I actually have six of them, to be honest.)

so what would you need to buy to mount it on a canon dslr?

M42 to EOS adapter. They're actually really popular.
Here's some more info on some quality M42 primes
 

randomlinh

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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: jiwq
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: randomlinh
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Auryg
Hmm..alright.

So the kit lens on most DSLRs don't usually include a zoom?

How much would a lens with a big zoom cost?

Yes the kit lens does have zoom.
Again, as elfenix said, if you just want a big, slow zoom for your DSLR, then might as well get a P&S. The quality won't be much better.
A cheapo 28-300mm(11x zoom), costs $250. The quality won't be too good though. A 50mm F/1.4 lens costs $200-$300, or $50 for a used one, and will beat the quality of any lens, not to mention the amazing low light capabilities.
Basically quality over quantitiy. Get something that does the one thing very well, or get something that does everything, but none of them very well.


how in the world did you go from $200-$300 for a new 50 f/1.4 to $50 used ... please tell me where to buy :)

eBay for an old Pentax prime. ;)

Here's an example of a really nice 50/1.4 for $50...
M42 screwmount Pentax Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50mm f/1.4. This is one of my favorite lenses, in fact. Its results can be simply gorgeous.....An engineer at a Japanese camera company told me that if this lens were manufactured and marketed today, it would most likely have to sell for $1,200 to $1,500. I got mine for $60. (Well, okay, I actually have six of them, to be honest.)

so what would you need to buy to mount it on a canon dslr?

M42 to EOS adapter. They're actually really popular.

after i posted i figured it'd be something like that.. i had L lense on the brain :p with that said, I don't think i could live on MF, it's hard enough for me to see if the camera is focusing properly to begin with :(
 

Auryg

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Alright, after reading some reviews I've decided I definately want the Canon S2IS. Now..I don't suppose anyone knows where I could get one cheap? :D
 

jiwq

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Originally posted by: randomlinh
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: jiwq
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: randomlinh
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Auryg
Hmm..alright.

So the kit lens on most DSLRs don't usually include a zoom?

How much would a lens with a big zoom cost?

Yes the kit lens does have zoom.
Again, as elfenix said, if you just want a big, slow zoom for your DSLR, then might as well get a P&S. The quality won't be much better.
A cheapo 28-300mm(11x zoom), costs $250. The quality won't be too good though. A 50mm F/1.4 lens costs $200-$300, or $50 for a used one, and will beat the quality of any lens, not to mention the amazing low light capabilities.
Basically quality over quantitiy. Get something that does the one thing very well, or get something that does everything, but none of them very well.


how in the world did you go from $200-$300 for a new 50 f/1.4 to $50 used ... please tell me where to buy :)

eBay for an old Pentax prime. ;)

Here's an example of a really nice 50/1.4 for $50...
M42 screwmount Pentax Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50mm f/1.4. This is one of my favorite lenses, in fact. Its results can be simply gorgeous.....An engineer at a Japanese camera company told me that if this lens were manufactured and marketed today, it would most likely have to sell for $1,200 to $1,500. I got mine for $60. (Well, okay, I actually have six of them, to be honest.)

so what would you need to buy to mount it on a canon dslr?

M42 to EOS adapter. They're actually really popular.

after i posted i figured it'd be something like that.. i had L lense on the brain :p with that said, I don't think i could live on MF, it's hard enough for me to see if the camera is focusing properly to begin with :(

doesnt the camera make a beep sound if you're in focus?
 

mrSHEiK124

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Check the Sony DSC-V3 out, doesn't have the 12x zoom that the S2IS does, but its a great prosumer p&s nontheless.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: aiex
Ok, origionally i would have said get a rebel, however reading what you've said so far and how little you know at the moment, can i throughly recommend the S2IS or the S1IS. Either of these cameras will really help a beginner start to learn the basics. When you learned to swim did you really jump straight to the deep end? If you really take to the photography lark just sell it and upgrade later!


its not even slightly comparable though. s2is as ok as it is is still an economy cam. it won't touch the abilities of a slr. slr sensor quality is just that much better, even a beginner would benifit. slr sensor size is just huge in comparison, and big sensor size = high dynamic range + huge iso rating so it can take pictures in low light conditions that would rape a canon s2is.
 

jlbenedict

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If you want to get into the DSLR world, you can actually do it better than the entry level Canon..

Olympus has the E-300 with two lens kit for $699 on the 'Egg right now..
The latest E-500 with two kit lens is $839

Pretty good deal, in my opinion..
 

randomlinh

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Originally posted by: jiwq
Originally posted by: randomlinh
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: jiwq
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: randomlinh
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Auryg
Hmm..alright.

So the kit lens on most DSLRs don't usually include a zoom?

How much would a lens with a big zoom cost?

Yes the kit lens does have zoom.
Again, as elfenix said, if you just want a big, slow zoom for your DSLR, then might as well get a P&S. The quality won't be much better.
A cheapo 28-300mm(11x zoom), costs $250. The quality won't be too good though. A 50mm F/1.4 lens costs $200-$300, or $50 for a used one, and will beat the quality of any lens, not to mention the amazing low light capabilities.
Basically quality over quantitiy. Get something that does the one thing very well, or get something that does everything, but none of them very well.


how in the world did you go from $200-$300 for a new 50 f/1.4 to $50 used ... please tell me where to buy :)

eBay for an old Pentax prime. ;)

Here's an example of a really nice 50/1.4 for $50...
M42 screwmount Pentax Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50mm f/1.4. This is one of my favorite lenses, in fact. Its results can be simply gorgeous.....An engineer at a Japanese camera company told me that if this lens were manufactured and marketed today, it would most likely have to sell for $1,200 to $1,500. I got mine for $60. (Well, okay, I actually have six of them, to be honest.)

so what would you need to buy to mount it on a canon dslr?

M42 to EOS adapter. They're actually really popular.

after i posted i figured it'd be something like that.. i had L lense on the brain :p with that said, I don't think i could live on MF, it's hard enough for me to see if the camera is focusing properly to begin with :(

doesnt the camera make a beep sound if you're in focus?

Yes, but that doesn't mean it's actually in focus if my lens is having a front/back focus issue. and for MF.. well.. it's manual focus.. heh. I'd use it more often if i could tell quickly if i was in focus
 

yhelothar

Lifer
Dec 11, 2002
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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: aiex
Ok, origionally i would have said get a rebel, however reading what you've said so far and how little you know at the moment, can i throughly recommend the S2IS or the S1IS. Either of these cameras will really help a beginner start to learn the basics. When you learned to swim did you really jump straight to the deep end? If you really take to the photography lark just sell it and upgrade later!


its not even slightly comparable though. s2is as ok as it is is still an economy cam. it won't touch the abilities of a slr. slr sensor quality is just that much better, even a beginner would benifit. slr sensor size is just huge in comparison, and big sensor size = high dynamic range + huge iso rating so it can take pictures in low light conditions that would rape a canon s2is.

It won't be much better in low light if he buys a cheap zoom as they are very slow.
The quality won't be much better when resized, but the dynamic range and colors will be better on the SLR. But that's a lot more money you're paying for the SLR for just slightly better colors mostly.
 

Auryg

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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: aiex
Ok, origionally i would have said get a rebel, however reading what you've said so far and how little you know at the moment, can i throughly recommend the S2IS or the S1IS. Either of these cameras will really help a beginner start to learn the basics. When you learned to swim did you really jump straight to the deep end? If you really take to the photography lark just sell it and upgrade later!


its not even slightly comparable though. s2is as ok as it is is still an economy cam. it won't touch the abilities of a slr. slr sensor quality is just that much better, even a beginner would benifit. slr sensor size is just huge in comparison, and big sensor size = high dynamic range + huge iso rating so it can take pictures in low light conditions that would rape a canon s2is.

It won't be much better in low light if he buys a cheap zoom as they are very slow.
The quality won't be much better when resized, but the dynamic range and colors will be better on the SLR. But that's a lot more money you're paying for the SLR for just slightly better colors mostly.

Which is why I just ordered the Canon S2-IS..thanks for all the help guys ;)
 

tfinch2

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I don't understand why people are looking for an entry-level SLR or a P&S and people start having a circle jerk about manual focus lenses. Yeah I use manual focus OM's on my Evolt, but that defeats the whole purpose of what this guy wants out of a camera.
 

yhelothar

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Dec 11, 2002
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Originally posted by: tfinch2
I don't understand why people are looking for an entry-level SLR or a P&S and people start having a circle jerk about manual focus lenses. Yeah I use manual focus OM's on my Evolt, but that defeats the whole purpose of what this guy wants out of a camera.

Circle jerk?
I only get MF lenses to save money. It's not worth paying 6times more for me to get the AF version. :roll:
If ease of use was a priority for you, then it would probably be worth it to pay more for the AF.
 

tfinch2

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Feb 3, 2004
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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: tfinch2
I don't understand why people are looking for an entry-level SLR or a P&S and people start having a circle jerk about manual focus lenses. Yeah I use manual focus OM's on my Evolt, but that defeats the whole purpose of what this guy wants out of a camera.

Circle jerk?
I only get MF lenses to save money. It's not worth paying 6times more for me to get the AF version. :roll:

We get the point already that you use MF lenses. You say it in every DSLR thread.
 

QueHuong

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Here's some things to think about:

1) A DSLR WON'T AUTOMATICALLY GET YOU BETTER PICTURES. I really have to emphasize that. The pictures coming straight out of a good point and shoot will most likely look better than one from a DSLR. That's because with a DSLR, it's almost required for you to do some post processing (fancy term for photo editing) to get the best out of it. With a P&S, the camera does most of the post processing (sharpening, saturation, contrast, etc) so it would look good straight out of the camera.

2) You will need a lot of time to learn photography techniques, general SLR/DSLR techniques, camera-specific techniques, post-processing techniques, and other nuances.

3) In addition to the time learning, you will a lot of time doing. Particularly in post processing, as related to points 1 and 2. If you want the best pictures capable with your camera, this is an absolute must.

Now, this is assuming you're serious about getting into photography. If you're not, and you just want good pictures without so investing so much time, then a point and shoot will suit you better. But if you really want to learn, and can devote the time, then definitely pick up a DSLR. It's very rewarding when you learn a new techniques..but know the learning will be frustrating along the way.

As for which camera to buy...know that you're investing in the system. Meaning if you go with Canon or Nikon, you will have access to the wide range of quality lenses and accessories. And when you get more serious, you'll buy more expensive lenses, and you'll soon build up a system. Then when you outgrow your DSLR, you will naturally go for another Canon or Nikon camera, because it's compatible with what you already have.

Now, Canons and Nikons are the 2 leaders in the DSLR market. They're safe, and you can't go wrong with either. If you decide to go with the lesser known brands (Konica Minolta, Pentax, Olympus), you might someday outgrow them because they don't offer the same quality and range of lenses and accessories. But because you're brand new to this, and I doubt you'll invest so much immediately that it'll lock you into one system, just get the kit that you want. At the entry-level, the cameras are for the most part, equal. The lesser known brands offer more perks to compete with the bigger guys. The Konica-Minolta Maxxum, 5D for example, offers Anti-Shake, which helps reduce blurring, especially for slow shutter time (~1/4 second and slower). This is built into the camera, and will be activated for all lenses. With Canon, the Antishake (called Imager Stabilizer) is built into the lens, and you'll pay hundreds for each of those lens.

But again, you're new to all of this, and you shouldn't be already asking about what camera to get. You should be asking if you can devote the time, energy, and money into a DSLR system. Check out the forums at www.dpreview.com to get an idea of issues and questions about using a DSLR.

 

yhelothar

Lifer
Dec 11, 2002
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Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: tfinch2
I don't understand why people are looking for an entry-level SLR or a P&S and people start having a circle jerk about manual focus lenses. Yeah I use manual focus OM's on my Evolt, but that defeats the whole purpose of what this guy wants out of a camera.

Circle jerk?
I only get MF lenses to save money. It's not worth paying 6times more for me to get the AF version. :roll:

We get the point already that you use MF lenses. You say it in every DSLR thread.

You obviously missed the points of my posts then. :roll: