Digital Rebel Kit: $899 at Dell Home after 10% off

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Alternex

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Originally posted by: Technocrat
For those of you who are considering the Digital Rebel remember these few things:

Though the Rebel and the 10D share the same sensor they are not the same

The Rebel is a watered down more "automatic" camera with lessor build quality.

If you're into photography buy the 10D. If you're stepping up from the G5 then get the 10D.

I have the 10D and had a D60 and just played with the Digital Rebel yesterday and you cantell it's a cheap camera. Hence the Rebel name.


Senior Guy....2s means that he shot the photo at 2 seconds shutter sped which made the water have more blur and motion.

I've done a lot of reading on the DRebel and even a lot of threads on 10D vs DRebel but I have never heard that the DRebel sensor is of lessor quality to the 10D. Can you provide a source for this information?

The camera body feels fine to me. I thought I would have an issue after reading about it but after holding it my hands I was really satisfied. Plus it's ~ 25% lighter and smaller.

Here is what Phil Askey mentioned in his DPReview:
When the EOS 300D was first announced Canon made a cautious statement that they had improved the production process of the CMOS sensor but that the overall design and results would be the same. I can confirm this to be true, while we did observe some slight increase in noise (comparing using the neutral 'Parameter 2' setting) over the EOS 10D the differences simply wouldn't be visible either on the screen (even magnified) or in print.

This means that the EOS 300D is a formidable player at high sensitivities, as we saw in our noise comparison to a five megapixel digital camera it delivers noise levels at ISO 800 lower than any of the compared cameras do at ISO 200. Even at ISO 1600 images are relatively clean and absolutely usable. Shooting at ISO 100 delivers the silky smooth (noise free) yet detailed images which have become the trademark of Canon's CMOS sensor.

Resolution and dynamic range also appear to be identical to the EOS 10D as does color response (which was improved in the EOS 10D over the EOS-D60). I would say that it is definitely worth doing some brief test shooting with the default 'Parameter 1' and a few of your own custom settings to see which you prefer, while 'Parameter 1' does deliver punchy images straight out of the box it can also reduce dynamic range and increase noise slightly..
 

WileCoyote

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hey alternex, is that the goonies island in your picture? if so, hot deal - i heard there is some treasure there =)
 

jdcook

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That is correct. This is great for the telephoto end where your 100-400mm becomes 160-640mm but bad on the wide end. This is why most people get the kit lens with starts at about 29mm (in 35mm equivalent). A lot of people have been getting the "thrifty-fifty" which is a really fast 50mm f/1.8 prime for under $70. This lens is normall a great normal lens but with the 1.6x factor it's now a great portrait lens.

The f/1.8 50mm is a really good lens for the money. If you can find the metal-barrelled Mk I version of it used for a decent price (<$100), strongly consider it. The 1.8's are also better for infrared than the 1.4. (Not that I know if the Digital Rebel is suitable for IR photography. I'm hoping it is.)
 

phantom309

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Just ordered from Dell. My general hatred for Dell is tempered by the fact that they can't possibly have made any money off this.:)

I checked out both the 10d and Rebel at BB yesterday - the Rebel isn't as solid as the 10D, but it's not bad. It's much better quality than those $250 Rebels you see at Wal-Mart, for example. They both have very fast, incredibly quiet AF. The Rebel has a little more mirror slap than the 10D, but still much less than most film SLRs. I bet you could take consistantly sharp pics at 1/30 sec with either one. The kit lens is slow at f3.5, but I understand the pics are almost noiseless at ISO800, so you do have faster "film" if you need to shoot in low light. Lens feels plasticky and cheap but whaddya want for $100. Sample images I've seen look very good.

The only thing I really don't like about the Rebel is that the onboard flash isn't damped at all. it feels like a plastic rat trap going off when it automatically pops up for your shot.

The 10D is just flat-out gorgeous: beautiful quality, great design. I couldn't find anything about it I didn't love. If I had the money I'd be all over it, but for my needs the Rebel has 90% of the good stuff for half the money.

Came that ][ close to buying the Rebel yesterday for $999+tax. Thanks for saving me another $100!

 

Alternex

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Here's my new gallery featuring some of my favorite pictures taken with the DRebel so far. I just moved to Oregon so I've been visiting a lot of parks.
 

jdcook

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The Digital Rebel I ordered Friday evening was delivered 2 hours ago. Excuse me, I must skip out of work now.
 
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Dang, doesn't include a lens. Can't really afford that right now, especially if I have to buy a lens. Then I'll want to buy more lenses and CF cards.
 

jdcook

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Originally posted by: AllABoutTheDeals
Dang, doesn't include a lens. Can't really afford that right now, especially if I have to buy a lens. Then I'll want to buy more lenses and CF cards.

The Dell deal is for the kit which does include a lens. The body w/o lens lists for $899 elsewhere. I do not know if Dell carries the body-only version. The camera does not come w/ a compact flash card however.
 

phantom309

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Just checked my invoice - this package is $899 SHIPPED. WITH lens. No tax, free shipping. That's $180 less than I would've paid retail in KS!!!!! I ordered mine around 9 this am and it's shipped already.

tl;dr version: this deal is UNBELIEVABLY SMOKING FLAMING NUCLEAR HOT.
 

Alternex

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Originally posted by: jdcook
Originally posted by: AllABoutTheDeals
Dang, doesn't include a lens. Can't really afford that right now, especially if I have to buy a lens. Then I'll want to buy more lenses and CF cards.

The Dell deal is for the kit which does include a lens. The body w/o lens lists for $899 elsewhere. I do not know if Dell carries the body-only version. The camera does not come w/ a compact flash card however.

What are you doing posting? Shouldn't you be home playing with the camera?!
 

jdcook

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Originally posted by: Alternex
Originally posted by: jdcook
Originally posted by: AllABoutTheDeals
Dang, doesn't include a lens. Can't really afford that right now, especially if I have to buy a lens. Then I'll want to buy more lenses and CF cards.

The Dell deal is for the kit which does include a lens. The body w/o lens lists for $899 elsewhere. I do not know if Dell carries the body-only version. The camera does not come w/ a compact flash card however.

What are you doing posting? Shouldn't you be home playing with the camera?!

I loaned all my CF to my parents for their trip to Ireland and the kit doesn't include any! (Which is actually good because it drives up costs and is useless in the tiny sizes they normally include.) I'm hoping to borrow some tonight.
 

SSSS

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Originally posted by: s0ssos
hey jd, if you find some cheap ones, let me know.

also, alternex, i actually went to oregon also. and took pictures of the beach. i was wondering if i could compare your pictures of the beach to mine, taken with an optio 550. could you post full-size images up, non-modified?
mine are at http://s0ssos.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=56320

s0ssos, I can immediately tell that the colors of your pictures are quite dull compared with alternex's. I am not just talking about those pictures taken against sunlight. Time for you to upgrade?

 

HostVisions

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I've had my Rebel for a week and a half. If you have the means, and are serious about photography, get this camera. Of course, if you have the means, and are serious about photography, the 10D is even a better camera. It all comes down to how much you want to spend. If you're a pro, you probably would be much happier with the 10D. Everyone else should be happy with the Rebel.

This is the first digicam that I've brought home that my wife will use. She shoots film with her Elan 7E. This camera is the digital equiviliant. She likes it so much that she said we can sell the Elan!

 

s0ssos

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Originally posted by: SSSS
Originally posted by: s0ssos
hey jd, if you find some cheap ones, let me know.

also, alternex, i actually went to oregon also. and took pictures of the beach. i was wondering if i could compare your pictures of the beach to mine, taken with an optio 550. could you post full-size images up, non-modified?
mine are at http://s0ssos.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=56320

s0ssos, I can immediately tell that the colors of your pictures are quite dull compared with alternex's. I am not just talking about those pictures taken against sunlight. Time for you to upgrade?

haha, upgrade isn't quite the right word. if you consider getting something bigger upgrading, maybe. but my camera's small, and there's no way a digital rebel even compares in size. portability and usability is more important to me. i mean, if you don't have the camera, you can't take pictures.

and also, what do you mean by quite dull? like, there are features you can change around.
 

s0ssos

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Originally posted by: HostVisions
I've had my Rebel for a week and a half. If you have the means, and are serious about photography, get this camera. Of course, if you have the means, and are serious about photography, the 10D is even a better camera. It all comes down to how much you want to spend. If you're a pro, you probably would be much happier with the 10D. Everyone else should be happy with the Rebel.

This is the first digicam that I've brought home that my wife will use. She shoots film with her Elan 7E. This camera is the digital equiviliant. She likes it so much that she said we can sell the Elan!


if you're a pro you should get the 1ds
 

Nocturnal

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Originally posted by: s0ssos
Originally posted by: HostVisions
I've had my Rebel for a week and a half. If you have the means, and are serious about photography, get this camera. Of course, if you have the means, and are serious about photography, the 10D is even a better camera. It all comes down to how much you want to spend. If you're a pro, you probably would be much happier with the 10D. Everyone else should be happy with the Rebel.

This is the first digicam that I've brought home that my wife will use. She shoots film with her Elan 7E. This camera is the digital equiviliant. She likes it so much that she said we can sell the Elan!


if you're a pro you should get the 1ds

Well if you're a pro pro who can afford an eight thousand dollar camera then you should go with the 1ds. Otherwise go with the 10d.
 

sygyzy

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You guys got a great deal. I didn't want to wait for deals so I paid the full 999.99 at Ritz.
 

coomarlin

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I read somewhere earlier today that the rebels sensor is basically the same as the 10D's, only it's been dumbed down from 36 bit to 24 bit. Not a real noticeable difference.

Does the rebel come with the same crappy usb 1.1 connector that the 10D has? Why wouldnt' cannon make it USB 2.0 or firewire? When you have a few 512 MB CF cards to download it can take a while with USB 1.1. I guess they assume most people use flash card readers.
 

techtoysavvy

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Just a note trying to explain the 1.6x magnification factor.
It is better thinking of the effect as a crop and not magnification.

The sensor on a 10D or 300D is smaller and the picture is effectively cropped. This produces an apparent magnification and not a real magnification. You are not really turning a 100mm lens into a 160mm lens. You are just using less of the picture (image on focal plane).

The good news is that when you use a EF (not EF-S) lens, you are using the center part of the lens which produces a better picture than the outer part of the lens.

The bad news is that you will have a tougher time with wide-angle shots.

I replaced my G1 with a 10D in April and never looked back.
I use a thrifty 50 (50/1.8) and 28-135 IS lens.

Prior to the 10D my best image quality came from 35mm film scanned with my Nikon film scanner.
This method produced 9 Mpixel scans for a full frame.
The 10D is versatile and produces better quality images than 35mm film.
 

Alternex

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Originally posted by: s0ssos
hey jd, if you find some cheap ones, let me know.

also, alternex, i actually went to oregon also. and took pictures of the beach. i was wondering if i could compare your pictures of the beach to mine, taken with an optio 550. could you post full-size images up, non-modified?
mine are at

I don't think I want to post the full size images because that would kill my bandwidth limit :p I do have up a unmodified version of that Cannon Beach panoramic up though. unmodified modified

A straight comparison between a Point & Shoot and the DRebel is unfair because Point & Shoots do a lot more post processing in-camera whereas the DRebel does very little and expects the user to do most of the sharpening and hue enhancements. Oh, plus that cannon beach picture was very badly metered on my part, the day was really hazy, etc.. I should have taken two sets of each picture - one metering on the mountains/foreground and another set on the horizon.
 

Alternex

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Originally posted by: coomarlin
I read somewhere earlier today that the rebels sensor is basically the same as the 10D's, only it's been dumbed down from 36 bit to 24 bit. Not a real noticeable difference.

Does the rebel come with the same crappy usb 1.1 connector that the 10D has? Why wouldnt' cannon make it USB 2.0 or firewire? When you have a few 512 MB CF cards to download it can take a while with USB 1.1. I guess they assume most people use flash card readers.

Where did you get the information that it was dumbed down to 24bit? If it was it surely would have come up in dpreview. Anyways most people don't use RAW format anyways.

Yes.. it's a crappy ass USB 1.1 connector. General consensus is that Canon doesn't want people using the camera to transfer pictures to the computer. For that you should use a dedicated device (w/ firewire or usb2, etc). The same is true for the battery - you take it out and charge it in the (included) dedicated battery charger. This also prolongs the life of the camera and keeps costs down. I'm waiting for a hot deal on a memory card ready.. It took forever to transfer a full 1gig microdrive using usb1.1!
 

nguyendot1

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Originally posted by: senior guy
Alternex~ Seeing that you own both the Rebel-D and a G2, you are probably the right person to advise me...
I'm torn between getting a Rebel-D or a G5. I've never owned a digicam - I've been using a Canon 10 (film) SLR for a good number of years and I intend to continue to use it quite a bit (at least that's my plan). I just want a good digicam mainly for travelling because most, if not all, airports (since 9/11) no longer permit hand-inspection of film and I've been winding up with fogged film (from cumulative xrays)!!!

All~ I don't see the Rebel-D on Dell's 'Home' website - can anyone provide a linky? Also, having never bought from Dell, does anyone know if they charge Sales Tax for California shipments?

With your current collection of EF lenses (which will produce better quality pics and have more versatility than a p/s camera lens), get a Digital rebel. It's quality is unmatched for the same price and features.

Also, while technically the EOS 10D is $600 more than this kit from dell, factor in the costs of ownership. This kit gives you everything but a card reader and a card... The EOS 10D kit does not come with a lens. That can range from $50 (el kracko cheapo) to $1400 (and more.... 16-35 f2.8L :D).

I currently own a slew of digicams, and well after many many different brands, just about all of my digicams are canon now. I started with an EOS D30 which kick started the CMOS sensor arena in the DSLR category, then sold it and got a 10D...awesome and quick camera... KEep in mind the speed and silence of the autofocus system is mainly in the lens unit (USM etc) and not the camera itself. About 2 months ago we acquired a Canon G5 for my dad to carry around with him and it has beautiful shots. F2.0 canon lens, expandable, and the awesome battery pack. Its images are incredible, but the lack of versatility with lenses, and the slow slow slow (compared to an SLR) shutter lag just doesn't cut it when you're doing action, burst, or a modeling shoot. But if you're doing everyday shots and you're used to a normal digicam, the G5 is a godsend for P/S users. My personal camera (like my dads G5) is an Olympus C5050, which replaced my sony S75 (awesome for its time), which was replaced by a Nikon Coolpix 5000 (for the love of god slow and difficult to use...no TTL). Just this sunday, after playing with the Digital Rebel for about 2 weeks, we stopped in and dropped $900 on the Rebel kit with Lens.... The pics we've taken have shown a remarkable depth of field, especially with the Canon 28-135 USM IS lens. The image stabilization is extremely useful in that you can take pictures you would normally blur by hand, w/o a tripod. My recommendation with a DSLR from canon, is stick with canon lenses. Yeah they cost and arm and a leg, but in the end you'll get better quality and reliability from them. Not to say that Sigma (DPO) isnt good (or other brands), but canon IS the leader in optics...especially their L series of lenses made specifically for their digital cameras. Right now i have the 16-35 f/2.8L, 28-135 f/3.5-5.6 USM IS, 24-70 f/2.8L, and some other assorted lenses i never use. The L lenses are insanely expensive, but will give you great image quality, digital or film. Before you think spending more than the cost of a camera on a lens, remember the lens is pretty much what makes or breaks a camera...Just look at the Sony V1 vs Sony P10...its all in the lens, more so with SLRs. Also, the flash on pretty much all of those cameras is worthless in my opinion. Its great for quick pics here and there, but anything more than 10ft away, or using the cameras with a large lens like the 28-135, or any L series lens, will result in underexposed, or a huge shadow from the lens in the way. I personally use a 550EX canon, which makes me lazy because it does everything for you, zoom, TTL exposure...etc... but any canon EX series will work on all 3 of these cameras, and work VERY well.

As for the build quality of the cameras, the 10D is a magnesium alloy chassis, which is much stronger, no creaks or flimsy material. The Digital rebel is all plastic, which isn't too bad, but it won't take a beating like the 10D can. The G5 has a half metal half plastic shell, but it is rather durable considering its shape and build.

To start off, the Digital rebel is a godsend from canon, its a DSLR <$1000 mark, which no one else can match in functionality, quality, speed...etc... It's not the best in the world, nor is it meant to be...but its one hell of a deal for what you pay. I mean look at the Olympus E20..which is outdated...and still sells for well over $1000... The rebel comes with 1 more megapixel, a better autofocus...etc...and is almost $500 less (MSRP).

Canon is the best...My opinion, and to my knowledge... I shoot Nikon film (F5, F100, F80 (imported))...but since I also had an EOS-3 (yeah i have a lot of cameras...thats what my family does tho, and im asian... so i guess its not really that odd lol) with a ton of lenses, and look at how you guys love canon... how could i say no to them?

This deal is smoking hot.. sorry to babble on and on and on... but get it if you can....

I got mine with 4 year service plan from best buy, (man if it breaks, i get a new one....or $902 towards another one hehe)... And im lovin it.