Digital Foundry: DX12 faceoff between GTX 1060 and AMD 480

[Adul]

Computerbase.de shows that the reference 480 averages only 1200mhz or so under GPU boost.

AIB 480s will ship with 1.34+Ghz clocks, or a 13-16% performance boost.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sapp...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-37b-sp.html

At 1400mhz, RX 480 beats both the R9 390 @ 1150mhz and the GTX970 @ 1500mhz.

Sapphire RX 480 4GB Nitro + 1.3Ghz is already up for pre-order in the UK at 200 pounds.

TechSpot shows no performance difference between an RX 480 4GB and the 8GB version.

Computerbase has the 1060 beating 480 by only 6% at 1080p and an AIB 1060 beats the 480 by 13%.
https://www.computerbase.de/2016-07...hnitt_benchmarks_in_1920__1080_und_2560__1440

These differences will be easily made up by after-market RX 480 cards but the RX 480 4GB should still end up cheaper than GTX1060.



I am at $750 USD on my Hawaii cards and I added the R9 295X2 only in early April. That means I am just $50 away from $0 GTX 1070 SLI, which is only 11-12 days of mining. By the time next gen flagships cards come out in 2017, I'll have enough to buy Big Pascal SLI for $0 (if I wanted to do that hypothetically).

If a $200 Intel CPU earned $50 a month after electricity, it would be headline news.

Sounds like we need a thread on how to pay for your AMD card in x amount of time.

 

[dogen1]

But weren't the Radeon cards using a older OpenGL version? At least I remember reading so. Guess it may have changed from the initial launching of the game.

Not exactly, at one point the game was using a 4.3 context with radeon cards and 4.5 for nvidia, but the extensions used were the same. Perhaps they were working around a driver bug. In any case it had no effect on performance.

 

[Det0x]

There's still the question of the Vulkan library version differences, though. NV and AMD use different ones for Doom, apparently. NV using an older revision.

Whether it makes any difference or not, I haven't heard and I don't have a clue.

I also haven't heard if it was resolved, or what.

Correct me if iam wrong, but don't AMD use a older revision of OpenGL then Nvidia ? :whiste:

Seems like the reviewers are catering to the green side, just like FM.

Quick google search about AMD OpenGL versions give you this:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/379720/discussions/0/357286119104670588/

In the beta, it was running OpenGL 4.5 for me (AMD GPU), and performance was excellent.

Really smooth 60 fps all the time.

Why is the release version regressing back to OpenGL 4.3? Performance is utter crap now.

https://community.bethesda.net/thread/18229?start=0&tstart=0

AMD OpenGL 4.3 versus nVidia OpenGL 4.5

So just to get this straight, reviewers don't want to benchmark the 1060 on Vulkan since AMD and Nvidia are using different versions of Vulkan.

Instead they benchmark the 1060 on OpenGL, nevermind if AMD and Nivida are using different versions of OpenGL.. (now all of the sudden it don't matter anymore)

And to make matters worse, even the 1060 performs better in Vulkan then in OpenGL.

Dont you see the "tinted glasses" in all of this ? :ninja:

 

[Silverforce11]

1. The gap in DX12 is bigger if you do not factor Rise of the Tomb Raider which is still broken and faster in DX11. Compare with other DX12 titles, the gap is 10-15%.

2. Vulkan in Doom, it's ~20-25% lead per Digital Foundry's videos and sites that test it.

3. The title of this thread is BS. It's a synthetic bench that everyone else already covered and has it's own Time Spy thread already.

 

[Ranulf]

Its getting very hard to not laugh in the face of some reviewers/sites. Its not fair to compare vulkan 480x to vulkan 1060 because of drivers?

At least Jayztwocents excuse was he didn't have his 480 on hand as he loaned it out to a fellow youtuber so he was using his original driver results. And a 1060 custom cooler evga card instead of the FE he had.

 

[Silverforce11]

Its getting very hard to not laugh in the face of some reviewers/sites. Its not fair to compare vulkan 480x to vulkan 1060 because of drivers?

At least Jayztwocents excuse was he didn't have his 480 on hand as he loaned it out to a fellow youtuber so he was using his original driver results. And a 1060 custom cooler evga card instead of the FE he had.

Right and Vulkan in Doom gives a perf boost to NV GPUs too, at 1080p it's like 5% gains. Not a regression like Rise of the Tomb Raider DX12 that many of these same sites used.

I mean the result would look very different if they have Vulkan Doom instead of OpenGL Doom.

TPU's charts would have looked closer, 480 right on the heels of the 1060. HWC's 12% lead would have been 8% in DX11 and the 3% deficit for the 1060 in DX12/Vulkan would have grown to 8-10%.

 

[LTC8K6]

Correct me if iam wrong, but don't AMD use a older revision of OpenGL then Nvidia ? :whiste:

Seems like the reviewers are catering to the green side, just like FM.

Quick google search about AMD OpenGL versions give you this:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/379720/discussions/0/357286119104670588/


https://community.bethesda.net/thread/18229?start=0&tstart=0



So just to get this straight, reviewers don't want to benchmark the 1060 on Vulkan since AMD and Nvidia are using different versions of Vulkan.

Instead they benchmark the 1060 on OpenGL, nevermind if AMD and Nivida are using different versions of OpenGL.. (now all of the sudden it don't matter anymore)

And to make matters worse, even the 1060 performs better in Vulkan then in OpenGL.

Dont you see the "tinted glasses" in all of this ? :ninja:

I never assume a nefarious conspiracy over other causes, though.

It doesn't make any sense at all, because in the end, if one mfgs card is noticeably slower, or rendering anything poorly, the real world will reveal this.

As soon as anything odd is detected, the news races around the internet at the speed of gossip. There's no hiding anything.

 

[stormkroe]

They are not. The cheapest RX 480 is $200 and the cheapest GTX1060 is $250. GTX 1060 is 9-10% faster for 25% more $$. The RX 480 is actually faster or ties the more expensive 1060 under current DX12/Vulkan games if we ignore the broken DX12 implementation of Rise of the Tomb Raider.

RX 480 also earns $$$ under Windows allowing a PC gamer to pay for itself in less than 6 months. Of course an AMD's card ability to make $ will be 100% ignored by the Pro-NV crowd because they don't want to do the leg work to set this pro-AMD feature up.

So for the 8th consecutive year since HD4870 came out the real story for North American consumers paying $0.20 per kWh or less, who are open minded to learning something new in life, over the next 6 months it will be like this:

$0-200 RX 480 vs. $250 GTX1060

:biggrin:

PhysX, TXAA, ShadowPlay = NV features
Videocards that make $ under Windows 10 = AMD feature

I love it how NV users continue to ignore this amazing AMD feature over the last 8 years.

Now it's even possible to load the money earned onto a prepaid debit card and use it anywhere in the world:

https://www.cryptocompare.com/wallets/#/cards

I've seen you use the 0-200 price quote before. Is the 1060 not able to mine? I'm not familiar with it at all, but if you're going to pick a 6 month period (presumably your estimated ROI time for a 480 mining an arbitrary amount every day) shouldn't you then apply the amount of cost mined by a 1060 in the period against the nV price tag? Unless the 1060 can't actually profit from mining there's a HUGE bias revealed in that statement.

 

[thilanliyan]

Unless the 1060 can't actually profit from mining there's a HUGE bias revealed in that statement.

Right now Pascal cannot really mine under Windows (driver issue from what I've read) if you want to make any profit. You can mine with Linux but you have to do MUCH more legwork to get it running under Linux than you do to get Polaris working under Windows.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Sounds like we need a thread on how to pay for your AMD card in x amount of time.

We do. It's the Ethereum thread.

 

[PhonakV30]

What's wrong with Jayztwocents ?