Different Take on Katrina Disaster -- Welfare Statism heavily responsible

[WhipperSnapper]

Here's a different take on the Hurricane Katrina disaster:

http://tiadaily.com/php-bin/news/showArticle.php?id=1026

Was the release of prisoners heavily responsible for the looting and mayhem in flooded New Orleans?

Sadly, the article doesn't go any further to dig into the causes of the nation's huge third world-style impoverished underclass. To do that would require addressing issues like mass immigration and foreign outsourcing (increasing the population of poor and lower class people while removing the ladders of upward mobility) which I suspect the pro-capitalist author would never want to acknowledge or address.

 

[conjur]

Nope, listen to the mayor's interview (the link has been provided elsewhere).

It was most likely the crackheads/drug addicts. They were breaking into hospitals/pharmacies/drug stores/etc. to get a fix for their "jones", as he put it. They were the ones with the guns.


Here:
http://www.atypical.net/mm/nagin.mp3

Transcript:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/index.html

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: conjur
Nope, listen to the mayor's interview (the link has been provided elsewhere).

It was most likely the crackheads/drug addicts. They were breaking into hospitals/pharmacies/drug stores/etc. to get a fix for their "jones", as he put it. They were the ones with the guns.


Here:
http://www.atypical.net/mm/nagin.mp3

Transcript:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/index.html

Don't waste your breath, Conjur. They'll never believe anything he says. He's black.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: conjur
Nope, listen to the mayor's interview (the link has been provided elsewhere).

It was most likely the crackheads/drug addicts. They were breaking into hospitals/pharmacies/drug stores/etc. to get a fix for their "jones", as he put it. They were the ones with the guns.


Here:
http://www.atypical.net/mm/nagin.mp3

Transcript:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/index.html

Don't waste your breath, Conjur. They'll never believe anything he says. He's black.

You have got to be one of the biggest ignorant, POS race-baiting dilrods in P&N. You should get a dungpile award for inciting racist lies and generalizations.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: conjur
Nope, listen to the mayor's interview (the link has been provided elsewhere).

It was most likely the crackheads/drug addicts. They were breaking into hospitals/pharmacies/drug stores/etc. to get a fix for their "jones", as he put it. They were the ones with the guns.


Here:
http://www.atypical.net/mm/nagin.mp3

Transcript:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/index.html

Don't waste your breath, Conjur. They'll never believe anything he says. He's black.

You have got to be one of the biggest ignorant, POS race-baiting dilrods in P&N. You should get a dungpile award for inciting racist lies and generalizations.

Edit: You know what? I'm sick of the blatant racism on these boards. The racists on these boards need to be called out for what they are. I'm sorry you can't take it. Racists are the biggest POS, imnsho. I'm just f'in sick of it.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: conjur
Nope, listen to the mayor's interview (the link has been provided elsewhere).

It was most likely the crackheads/drug addicts. They were breaking into hospitals/pharmacies/drug stores/etc. to get a fix for their "jones", as he put it. They were the ones with the guns.


Here:
http://www.atypical.net/mm/nagin.mp3

Transcript:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/index.html

Don't waste your breath, Conjur. They'll never believe anything he says. He's black.

Don't forget he's a democrat also. Black+democrat = 2 strikes & automatically counts him out. :disgust:

 

[imported_Ant]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
...foreign outsourcing...

You might find that other countries are outsourcing to the US far more than the US is outsourcing to other countries.

Now to get to the root of the problem you were talking about, sad fact is that people don't really care anymore.

I think that article you quoted gets things the wrong way around.

It's a fact that Capitalism as a monetary system works no better and in some cases is worse than any other system.
With a capitalist society, over time the money just ends up in a few hands much faster no matter the size of the economy or the number of people. People end up more selfish and are prepared to do anything for the almighty dollar due to the ideals of the system.

For sure a socialist society might lack in some respects, however everyone is at least looked after. I think in general you end up with a happier population overall in a socialist system.
Free healthcare and decent social welfare might cost more in taxes, however think about how much people in a capitalist system pay in insurance and private healthcare and you'll realize that the taxes with different systems equate overall after everything is taken into account.

When you get down to it, I reckon this is the background to the problem in the wake of the hurricane.
The poorer underclass are still living within the system of the country. They are not looked after no matter the descriptions given of a welfare state. They want the money and the power that comes with it. Don't blame them for their shortcomings.
Blame the consumer driven society.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: conjur
Nope, listen to the mayor's interview (the link has been provided elsewhere).

It was most likely the crackheads/drug addicts. They were breaking into hospitals/pharmacies/drug stores/etc. to get a fix for their "jones", as he put it. They were the ones with the guns.


Here:
http://www.atypical.net/mm/nagin.mp3

Transcript:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/index.html

Don't waste your breath, Conjur. They'll never believe anything he says. He's black.

You have got to be one of the biggest ignorant, POS race-baiting dilrods in P&N. You should get a dungpile award for inciting racist lies and generalizations.

Edit: You know what? I'm sick of the blatant racism on these boards. The racists on these boards need to be called out for what they are. I'm sorry you can't take it. Racists are the biggest POS, imnsho. I'm just f'in sick of it.

And judging from this thread, it seems that you're the racist. :roll:


There have been many disasters in the US, including (whether you want to believe it or not) some just as bad as what happened this week in New Orleans. But never have we seen a reaction from the people like this. Typically, Americans are famous worldwide for our ability to work together in the face of an emergency. Neighbor helping neighbor, people reaching out and helping each other. But all New Orleans wants to do is beg for help while its people rape, loot, and shoot each other and the very people being sent in to help them. Why?

You're talking racism, try this. In the words of British TV (not mine), " ...it looks like Rwanda." You think that's racist, bring it up with the world.

 

[Kalbi]

Originally posted by: Ant

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
...foreign outsourcing...

You might find that other countries are outsourcing to the US far more than the US is outsourcing to other countries.

Now to get to the root of the problem you were talking about, sad fact is that people don't really care anymore.

I think that article you quoted gets things the wrong way around.

It's a fact that Capitalism as a monetary system works no better and in some cases is worse than any other system.
With a capitalist society, over time the money just ends up in a few hands much faster no matter the size of the economy or the number of people. People end up more selfish and are prepared to do anything for the almighty dollar due to the ideals of the system.

For sure a socialist society might lack in some respects, however everyone is at least looked after. I think in general you end up with a happier population overall in a socialist system.
Free healthcare and decent social welfare might cost more in taxes, however think about how much people in a capitalist system pay in insurance and private healthcare and you'll realize that the taxes with different systems equate overall after everything is taken into account.

When you get down to it, I reckon this is the background to the problem in the wake of the hurricane.
The poorer underclass are still living within the system of the country. They are not looked after no matter the descriptions given of a welfare state. They want the money and the power that comes with it. Don't blame them for their shortcomings.
Blame the consumer driven society.

People like this is the reason why history repeats itself.

 

[imported_Ant]

Originally posted by: Kalbi

People like this is the reason why history repeats itself.

Please explain your point of view. I don't understand where this idea comes from. Many countries are happily living in social democracies.

 

[Kalbi]

Originally posted by: Ant

Originally posted by: Kalbi

People like this is the reason why history repeats itself.

Please explain your point.

It's scientifically proven Capitalism > Socialism.

OP - That commentary is great btw.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Ant

Originally posted by: Kalbi
People like this is the reason why history repeats itself.

Please explain your point.

Because you keep repeating to yourself, "It's not my fault, someone else is to blame, it's not my fault, someone else is to blame, it's not my fault... "

Socialism is what gives people a reason not to care about each other.
"Fsck my neighbor, when do I get MY handout?"
"Go volunteer to pile sandbags on the levee? Why should I do that when the government should be bringing in people to do that for me?"
"Let his house burn down, the only thing I care about is the check I got coming for my own house."
THAT is socialism, despite the denials of its misguided advocates. And New Orleans is proving it right now.

 

[imported_Ant]

Originally posted by: Kalbi

It's scientifically proven Capitalism > Socialism.

Please give your scientific backing for this theory. I have researched fairly heavily into different systems and without corruption or an excess of bureaucracy, a socialist system is far superior to a capitalist system.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ant

Originally posted by: Kalbi
People like this is the reason why history repeats itself.

Please explain your point.

Because you keep repeating to yourself, "It's not my fault, someone else is to blame, it's not my fault, someone else is to blame, it's not my fault... "

Socialism is what gives people a reason not to care about each other.
"Fsck my neighbor, when do I get MY handout?"
"Go volunteer to pile sandbags on the levee? Why should I do that when the government should be bringing in people to do that for me?"
"Let his house burn down, the only thing I care about is the check I got coming for my own house."
THAT is socialism, despite the denials of its misguided advocates. And New Orleans is proving it right now.

That is called Anarchy, fool, not socialism.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ant

Originally posted by: Kalbi
People like this is the reason why history repeats itself.

Please explain your point.

Because you keep repeating to yourself, "It's not my fault, someone else is to blame, it's not my fault, someone else is to blame, it's not my fault... "

Socialism is what gives people a reason not to care about each other.
"Fsck my neighbor, when do I get MY handout?"
"Go volunteer to pile sandbags on the levee? Why should I do that when the government should be bringing in people to do that for me?"
"Let his house burn down, the only thing I care about is the check I got coming for my own house."
THAT is socialism, despite the denials of its misguided advocates. And New Orleans is proving it right now.

Sweden you can go cradle to grave w/o lifting a finger for at least 70 years now...funny they don't have these problems. In fact most of the poeople I know there don't even have locks on thier doors. What we have is worse than socialism. Not enough to actually get off feet but just enough to keep hidden from public eye in some housing project.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: conjur
Nope, listen to the mayor's interview (the link has been provided elsewhere).

It was most likely the crackheads/drug addicts. They were breaking into hospitals/pharmacies/drug stores/etc. to get a fix for their "jones", as he put it. They were the ones with the guns.


Here:
http://www.atypical.net/mm/nagin.mp3

Transcript:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/index.html

Don't waste your breath, Conjur. They'll never believe anything he says. He's black.

You have got to be one of the biggest ignorant, POS race-baiting dilrods in P&N. You should get a dungpile award for inciting racist lies and generalizations.

Edit: You know what? I'm sick of the blatant racism on these boards. The racists on these boards need to be called out for what they are. I'm sorry you can't take it. Racists are the biggest POS, imnsho. I'm just f'in sick of it.

And judging from this thread, it seems that you're the racist. :roll:


There have been many disasters in the US, including (whether you want to believe it or not) some just as bad as what happened this week in New Orleans. But never have we seen a reaction from the people like this. Typically, Americans are famous worldwide for our ability to work together in the face of an emergency. Neighbor helping neighbor, people reaching out and helping each other. But all New Orleans wants to do is beg for help while its people rape, loot, and shoot each other and the very people being sent in to help them. Why?

You're talking racism, try this. In the words of British TV (not mine), " ...it looks like Rwanda." You think that's racist, bring it up with the world.

And your stupid rant is supposed to prove I'm a racist. Oh please. I've been seeing sh*t like (paraphrasing) "They stayed so they could loot." "Why did the blacks stay? To loot." "They're a bunch of welfare addicts." blah blah blah blah blah.

Disgusting.

 

[imported_Ant]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

That is called Anarchy, fool, not socialism.

No, anarchy is when there is no law and order so the strong survive and the weak die.
Anarchy is a much closer thing to capitalist driven thinking than it is to socialist driven thinking.

Socialism is what gives people a reason not to care about each other.
"Fsck my neighbor, when do I get MY handout?"
"Go volunteer to pile sandbags on the levee? Why should I do that when the government should be bringing in people to do that for me?"
"Let his house burn down, the only thing I care about is the check I got coming for my own house."
THAT is socialism, despite the denials of its misguided advocates. And New Orleans is proving it right now.

Not entirely correct although there are valid points. As in every system there are those who try to take advantage in any way possible.

The basic premise of socialism does not accept this way of thinking though. People are more concerned about their way of life than trying to buy or loot the next cellphone/TV/accessory.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Ant
As in every system there are those who try to take advantage in any way possible.

The basic premise of socialism does not accept this way of thinking though.

Which is why it fails. Everyone knows this, some just refuse to accept it.

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Vic
There have been many disasters in the US, including (whether you want to believe it or not) some just as bad as what happened this week in New Orleans. But never have we seen a reaction from the people like this. Typically, Americans are famous worldwide for our ability to work together in the face of an emergency. Neighbor helping neighbor, people reaching out and helping each other. But all New Orleans wants to do is beg for help while its people rape, loot, and shoot each other and the very people being sent in to help them. Why?

You're talking racism, try this. In the words of British TV (not mine), " ...it looks like Rwanda." You think that's racist, bring it up with the world.

And your stupid rant is supposed to prove I'm a racist. Oh please. I've been seeing sh*t like (paraphrasing) "They stayed so they could loot." "Why did the blacks stay? To loot." "They're a bunch of welfare addicts." blah blah blah blah blah.

Disgusting.

You enjoy putting words in other peoples' mouths? It seems so. Don't put any in mine.

Here's a tip. You don't want people to think bad of you, don't do things that will cause them to think bad of you.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ant
As in every system there are those who try to take advantage in any way possible.

The basic premise of socialism does not accept this way of thinking though.

Which is why it fails. Everyone knows this, some just refuse to accept it.

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Vic
There have been many disasters in the US, including (whether you want to believe it or not) some just as bad as what happened this week in New Orleans. But never have we seen a reaction from the people like this. Typically, Americans are famous worldwide for our ability to work together in the face of an emergency. Neighbor helping neighbor, people reaching out and helping each other. But all New Orleans wants to do is beg for help while its people rape, loot, and shoot each other and the very people being sent in to help them. Why?

You're talking racism, try this. In the words of British TV (not mine), " ...it looks like Rwanda." You think that's racist, bring it up with the world.

And your stupid rant is supposed to prove I'm a racist. Oh please. I've been seeing sh*t like (paraphrasing) "They stayed so they could loot." "Why did the blacks stay? To loot." "They're a bunch of welfare addicts." blah blah blah blah blah.

Disgusting.

You enjoy putting words in other peoples' mouths? It seems so. Don't put any in mine.

Here's a tip. You don't want people to think bad of you, don't do things that will cause them to think bad of you.

Frankly, I could care less what you think of me.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Frankly, I could care less what you think of me.

In English, the pronoun "you" can be both 2nd person singular AND plural.

 

[Starbuck1975]

It was most likely the crackheads/drug addicts. They were breaking into hospitals/pharmacies/drug stores/etc. to get a fix for their "jones", as he put it. They were the ones with the guns.

Don't waste your breath, Conjur. They'll never believe anything he says. He's black.

Don't forget he's a democrat also. Black+democrat = 2 strikes & automatically counts him out.

Oh...I understand...the poor drug addicts just needed to get their fix...that totally justifies their going on a rampage of violence, hindering the relief effort and otherwise causing chaos and havoc.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: conjur
Nope, listen to the mayor's interview (the link has been provided elsewhere).

It was most likely the crackheads/drug addicts. They were breaking into hospitals/pharmacies/drug stores/etc. to get a fix for their "jones", as he put it. They were the ones with the guns.


Here:
http://www.atypical.net/mm/nagin.mp3

Transcript:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/index.html

Don't waste your breath, Conjur. They'll never believe anything he says. He's black.

You have got to be one of the biggest ignorant, POS race-baiting dilrods in P&N. You should get a dungpile award for inciting racist lies and generalizations.

Edit: You know what? I'm sick of the blatant racism on these boards. The racists on these boards need to be called out for what they are. I'm sorry you can't take it. Racists are the biggest POS, imnsho. I'm just f'in sick of it.

And judging from this thread, it seems that you're the racist. :roll:


There have been many disasters in the US, including (whether you want to believe it or not) some just as bad as what happened this week in New Orleans. But never have we seen a reaction from the people like this. Typically, Americans are famous worldwide for our ability to work together in the face of an emergency. Neighbor helping neighbor, people reaching out and helping each other. But all New Orleans wants to do is beg for help while its people rape, loot, and shoot each other and the very people being sent in to help them. Why?

You're talking racism, try this. In the words of British TV (not mine), " ...it looks like Rwanda." You think that's racist, bring it up with the world.

Agreed. I am just calling it the way I see it. And from what I see on the TV, I see looting and violence coming from certain people and certain people only. It's not racism. It's fact.

But call me what you will.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: conjur
Nope, listen to the mayor's interview (the link has been provided elsewhere).

It was most likely the crackheads/drug addicts. They were breaking into hospitals/pharmacies/drug stores/etc. to get a fix for their "jones", as he put it. They were the ones with the guns.


Here:
http://www.atypical.net/mm/nagin.mp3

Transcript:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/index.html

Don't waste your breath, Conjur. They'll never believe anything he says. He's black.

You have got to be one of the biggest ignorant, POS race-baiting dilrods in P&N. You should get a dungpile award for inciting racist lies and generalizations.

Edit: You know what? I'm sick of the blatant racism on these boards. The racists on these boards need to be called out for what they are. I'm sorry you can't take it. Racists are the biggest POS, imnsho. I'm just f'in sick of it.

And judging from this thread, it seems that you're the racist. :roll:


There have been many disasters in the US, including (whether you want to believe it or not) some just as bad as what happened this week in New Orleans. But never have we seen a reaction from the people like this. Typically, Americans are famous worldwide for our ability to work together in the face of an emergency. Neighbor helping neighbor, people reaching out and helping each other. But all New Orleans wants to do is beg for help while its people rape, loot, and shoot each other and the very people being sent in to help them. Why?

You're talking racism, try this. In the words of British TV (not mine), " ...it looks like Rwanda." You think that's racist, bring it up with the world.

Agreed. I am just calling it the way I see it. And from what I see on the TV, I see looting and violence coming from certain people and certain people only. It's not racism. It's fact.

But call me what you will.

People are desperate. I would do the exact same thing. I'd steal whatever I needed for my family and myself to survive. PERIOD.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: conjur
Nope, listen to the mayor's interview (the link has been provided elsewhere).

It was most likely the crackheads/drug addicts. They were breaking into hospitals/pharmacies/drug stores/etc. to get a fix for their "jones", as he put it. They were the ones with the guns.


Here:
http://www.atypical.net/mm/nagin.mp3

Transcript:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/index.html

Don't waste your breath, Conjur. They'll never believe anything he says. He's black.

You have got to be one of the biggest ignorant, POS race-baiting dilrods in P&N. You should get a dungpile award for inciting racist lies and generalizations.

Edit: You know what? I'm sick of the blatant racism on these boards. The racists on these boards need to be called out for what they are. I'm sorry you can't take it. Racists are the biggest POS, imnsho. I'm just f'in sick of it.

And judging from this thread, it seems that you're the racist. :roll:


There have been many disasters in the US, including (whether you want to believe it or not) some just as bad as what happened this week in New Orleans. But never have we seen a reaction from the people like this. Typically, Americans are famous worldwide for our ability to work together in the face of an emergency. Neighbor helping neighbor, people reaching out and helping each other. But all New Orleans wants to do is beg for help while its people rape, loot, and shoot each other and the very people being sent in to help them. Why?

You're talking racism, try this. In the words of British TV (not mine), " ...it looks like Rwanda." You think that's racist, bring it up with the world.

That is unfortunatly, very few stories of neighbors helping neighbors in the city of new orleans.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ant

Originally posted by: Kalbi
People like this is the reason why history repeats itself.

Please explain your point.

Because you keep repeating to yourself, "It's not my fault, someone else is to blame, it's not my fault, someone else is to blame, it's not my fault... "

Socialism is what gives people a reason not to care about each other.
"Fsck my neighbor, when do I get MY handout?"
"Go volunteer to pile sandbags on the levee? Why should I do that when the government should be bringing in people to do that for me?"
"Let his house burn down, the only thing I care about is the check I got coming for my own house."
THAT is socialism, despite the denials of its misguided advocates. And New Orleans is proving it right now.

That is called Anarchy, fool, not socialism.

It is dependancy caused by socialism. They are waiting for the goverment to come save them.