Difference in Degree's of Rape

TravisT

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What is difference between first degree and second degree rape? There was a discussion a while back about sex offender's being listed publicly. I decided to recheck mine, as well as my hometown. When I searched my hometown (I now live 30 miles away from) I realized that I had someone who I went to school with listed with second degree rape along with "Aggrevated" next to it. Is second degree rape the same as statutory?
 

freebee

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Might have to do with the looks of the person that was raped. Better looking = higher degree. Like Karate.
 

Jeeebus

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what state do you live in?

EDIT: Should read, what state was the person convicted in? And if you don't know that, then just the state you live.
 

Jeeebus

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A. Rape in the first degree shall include:
1. rape committed by a person over eighteen (18) years of age upon a person under fourteen (14) years of age; or
2. rape committed upon a person incapable through mental illness or any unsoundness of mind of giving legal consent regardless of the age of the person committing the crime; or
3. rape accomplished with any person by means of force, violence, or threats of force or violence accompanied by apparent power of execution regardless of the age of the person committing the crime; or
4. rape by instrumentation resulting in bodily harm is rape by instrumentation in the first degree regardless of the age of the person committing the crime; or
5. rape by instrumentation committed upon a person under fourteen (14) years of age.
B. In all other cases, rape or rape by instrumentation is rape in the second degree.
 
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Originally posted by: TravisT
What is difference between first degree and second degree rape? There was a discussion a while back about sex offender's being listed publicly. I decided to recheck mine, as well as my hometown. When I searched my hometown (I now live 30 miles away from) I realized that I had someone who I went to school with listed with second degree rape along with "Aggrevated" next to it. Is second degree rape the same as statutory?

How did you check, by the way? I'd be interested to check my area.
 

BrownTown

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this has the potential to get me started on all the "rapes" that happen at my college that aren't really rapes, but are just people getting way to drunk and sleeping with someone, then waking up and claiming they were raped.
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: BrownTown
this has the potential to get me started on all the "rapes" that happen at my college that aren't really rapes, but are just people getting way to drunk and sleeping with someone, then waking up and claiming they were raped.

2. rape committed upon a person incapable through mental illness or any unsoundness of mind of giving legal consent regardless of the age of the person committing the crime; or

Unless you know the person and know she really wants it, its better to be safe than sorry and not do the deed with a random drunk chick.

Someone who is drunk can NOT legally give consent. So you might have thought it was consentual but she can still claim rape and you are SOL.
 

Gooberlx2

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Originally posted by: Jeeebus
A. Rape in the first degree shall include:
1. rape committed by a person over eighteen (18) years of age upon a person under fourteen (14) years of age; or
2. rape committed upon a person incapable through mental illness or any unsoundness of mind of giving legal consent regardless of the age of the person committing the crime; or
3. rape accomplished with any person by means of force, violence, or threats of force or violence accompanied by apparent power of execution regardless of the age of the person committing the crime; or
4. rape by instrumentation resulting in bodily harm is rape by instrumentation in the first degree regardless of the age of the person committing the crime; or
5. rape by instrumentation committed upon a person under fourteen (14) years of age.
B. In all other cases, rape or rape by instrumentation is rape in the second degree.

So, essentially rape with any minor or mentally handicapped person (or unable to give consent). Or violent rape resulting in bodily harm is in the 1st degree.

So second degree rape would be what? How does the guy you found have rape in the 2nd plus aggravated? Aggravated what, assault?....maybe it was a plea bargain?
 

TravisT

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My sister-in-law got raped while being passed out drunk. She never even confronted the guy that she thinks did it. Only myself, my wife, and a friend of the family know that it happened. I don't even think that her husband (whom she met after the incident) knows. I never turned it in because I think if you are that drunk you are leaving yoruself open to that type of behaviour. As bad as it is... it is a bad situation she put herself in.
 

Jeeebus

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Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
Originally posted by: Jeeebus
A. Rape in the first degree shall include:
1. rape committed by a person over eighteen (18) years of age upon a person under fourteen (14) years of age; or
2. rape committed upon a person incapable through mental illness or any unsoundness of mind of giving legal consent regardless of the age of the person committing the crime; or
3. rape accomplished with any person by means of force, violence, or threats of force or violence accompanied by apparent power of execution regardless of the age of the person committing the crime; or
4. rape by instrumentation resulting in bodily harm is rape by instrumentation in the first degree regardless of the age of the person committing the crime; or
5. rape by instrumentation committed upon a person under fourteen (14) years of age.
B. In all other cases, rape or rape by instrumentation is rape in the second degree.

So, essentially rape with any minor or mentally handicapped person (or unable to give consent). Or violent rape resulting in bodily harm is in the 1st degree.

So second degree rape would be what? How does the guy you found have rape in the 2nd plus aggravated? Aggravated what, assault?....maybe it was a plea bargain?



generally speaking, 2nd degree is around for the purpose of plea bargaining/sentence reductions.
 

TravisT

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Could be somethign to do with a plea. I don't know if it is just a coincidence, but the individual i'm talking about also had someone else with the same last name on the list too (older individual, potentially a father or grandfather). There are about 15 people on the list for my area, they have a pretty rare last name, so it is possible they did something together to someone and he bargained his way to 2nd degree.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Originally posted by: TravisT
My sister-in-law got raped while being passed out drunk. She never even confronted the guy that she thinks did it. Only myself, my wife, and a friend of the family know that it happened. I don't even think that her husband (whom she met after the incident) knows. I never turned it in because I think if you are that drunk you are leaving yoruself open to that type of behaviour. As bad as it is... it is a bad situation she put herself in.


She may indeed have used bad judgement which in NO way mitigates or makes her resposible for her RAPE. This is not hard to understand people. Turn the asshole in. Point at him and say there goes a rapist.
 

Canai

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this guy lives across the street from me, and has a loooong rap sheet of disorderly conduct, sexual assault, and battery, and use of a dangerous weapon.....

His pic says it all.

edit: he's in for 4th degree... is 4th degree < 1st degree?
 

sixone

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Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Originally posted by: TravisT
My sister-in-law got raped while being passed out drunk. She never even confronted the guy that she thinks did it. Only myself, my wife, and a friend of the family know that it happened. I don't even think that her husband (whom she met after the incident) knows. I never turned it in because I think if you are that drunk you are leaving yoruself open to that type of behaviour. As bad as it is... it is a bad situation she put herself in.


She may indeed have used bad judgement which in NO way mitigates or makes her resposible for her RAPE. This is not hard to understand people. Turn the asshole in. Point at him and say there goes a rapist.

She better have something more than "the guy she thinks did it" before she makes public allegations.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Originally posted by: sixone
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Originally posted by: TravisT
My sister-in-law got raped while being passed out drunk. She never even confronted the guy that she thinks did it. Only myself, my wife, and a friend of the family know that it happened. I don't even think that her husband (whom she met after the incident) knows. I never turned it in because I think if you are that drunk you are leaving yoruself open to that type of behaviour. As bad as it is... it is a bad situation she put herself in.


She may indeed have used bad judgement which in NO way mitigates or makes her resposible for her RAPE. This is not hard to understand people. Turn the asshole in. Point at him and say there goes a rapist.

She better have something more than "the guy she thinks did it" before she makes public allegations.


You're quite right and, at this point, actual prosecution is unlikely. However, the point I was trying to make is that the sister-in-law, bad judgment or no, was in no way responsible nor the act less heinous because she was drunk.
 

SophalotJack

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Originally posted by: BrownTown
this has the potential to get me started on all the "rapes" that happen at my college that aren't really rapes, but are just people getting way to drunk and sleeping with someone, then waking up and claiming they were raped.

2. rape committed upon a person incapable through mental illness or any unsoundness of mind of giving legal consent regardless of the age of the person committing the crime;

You sound like a first degree rapist to the law.
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: BrownTown
this has the potential to get me started on all the "rapes" that happen at my college that aren't really rapes, but are just people getting way to drunk and sleeping with someone, then waking up and claiming they were raped.

2. rape committed upon a person incapable through mental illness or any unsoundness of mind of giving legal consent regardless of the age of the person committing the crime; or

Unless you know the person and know she really wants it, its better to be safe than sorry and not do the deed with a random drunk chick.

Someone who is drunk can NOT legally give consent. So you might have thought it was consentual but she can still claim rape and you are SOL.

What if both parties were drunk?
 

Fritzo

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Most of the time people think it's rape when it's actually just surprise sex.