Difference between original and illegal music.

cool.dx.rip

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Guys, can u tell me the Difference between original and illegal music? Do they r same in bitrates like 320 kbps maximum? What headphones,music system i need to take full enjoy from original music cd's?example links needed pls Does S4,HTC one high end mobiles r able to provide full music support like music systems?
 

lilrayray69

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It depends. You can find illegal music files that are 120kbps, and some that are FLAC. Once the CD has officially been released, then its quite easy for high quality rips to get out there and there is virtually no difference in sound quality.

Phones generally won't support as high quality of audio output or equalizers. High quality headphone companies like Sennheiser are good places to look for headphones.
 

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Guys, can u tell me the Difference between original and illegal music? Do they r same in bitrates like 320 kbps maximum? What headphones,music system i need to take full enjoy from original music cd's?example links needed pls Does S4,HTC one high end mobiles r able to provide full music support like music systems?

Music that is legal/illegal has nothing to do with the bit rate the song/album can be encoded at.
 

SyndromeOCZ

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In alot of cases its easier to get the high quality music illegally. I mean, other than buying a CD.
 

SyndromeOCZ

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Well by easier I mean possible. I've looked high and low for high quality rips, and even looked for the CD and couldn't ever find it. Until one day someone I met in a chatroom shared it with me.
 

lagokc

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Yeah, paying with money is such a pain.

No one wants to use CDs anymore. If studios wanted to sell digital music they'd sell downloads of high quality FLAC but they'd rather keep to an obsolete CD format with errors introduced to make them more difficult to rip or sell you DRM laden lower quality mp3s.

But what do I know, I only get my music on used vinyl :cool:
 

Ketchup

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No one wants to use CDs anymore. If studios wanted to sell digital music they'd sell downloads of high quality FLAC but they'd rather keep to an obsolete CD format with errors introduced to make them more difficult to rip or sell you DRM laden lower quality mp3s.

But what do I know, I only get my music on used vinyl :cool:

A friend of mine sells a lot of vinyl (he did before the current "recession" anyway) and he played some of his records for me last week. There is just something special about the sound. He restores the records before he sells them, so it was the first time I had heard a record in all it's glory. Very nice.
 

lagokc

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A friend of mine sells a lot of vinyl (he did before the current "recession" anyway) and he played some of his records for me last week. There is just something special about the sound. He restores the records before he sells them, so it was the first time I had heard a record in all it's glory. Very nice.

A lot of people got rid of their record collections so you can pick up a lot of good condition 70s and 80s records pretty cheap. They were typically better quality vinyl than the cheap 120g presses you see new.
 

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Can you guys tell me the difference in a legally purchased BMW vs a stolen one? Will the legally purchased one go faster? thanx
 

Ketchup

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Can you guys tell me the difference in a legally purchased BMW vs a stolen one? Will the legally purchased one go faster? thanx

The illegal ones have all been hacked to drive you straight to prison. It wasn't like the old days when you could just Napster a ride in an M3.
 

lagokc

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Can you guys tell me the difference in a legally purchased BMW vs a stolen one? Will the legally purchased one go faster? thanx

Can you guys tell me the difference between a regular Intel processor and an overclocked one?

See, I can make inappropriate analogies as well.
 

Ketchup

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Can you guys tell me the difference between a regular Intel processor and an overclocked one?

See, I can make inappropriate analogies as well.

Every analogy in this thread has been inappropriate. Some of us just enjoy having fun with it.
 

taq8ojh

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I will be buying a lot more music (I do own some, but not all by far) when the fking companies let me buy individual songs in FLAC. Right now I am not excited about wasting 30 eur on an album most of its songs I wouldn't listen to.
Also, having to buy a CD is pain in the ass. Giive me a friggin' digital version damnit. I don't like piling up things that are only good for catching dust.
 

Jinny

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i dont really care about FLAC or good quality mp3. just dont fudge up the sound quality in the mastering process. most of the crap out these days are pure garbage in terms of sq.
 

Gintaras

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A friend of mine sells a lot of vinyl (he did before the current "recession" anyway) and he played some of his records for me last week. There is just something special about the sound. He restores the records before he sells them, so it was the first time I had heard a record in all it's glory. Very nice.
I do collect LPs and main source to listen to my music. Is my music collection legal or illegal?

Record Cleaning - Soap and Water

Depends, how you look at it. If illegal is when you listen to music that artist doesn't get money from you, my music collection is illegal - I've bought all of these used, artist didn't get a penny from me, record dealers at Record Shows, Used LP/CD stores made money from my music collection.
In digital format - Flac, Ape, Mp3 or CD. Only money artist gets, if you buy brand new CD at the music store. If you buy very same CD @ Used CD store, only store makes money.
If someone downloads music from file sharing servers using premium - paid account, File Sharing Servers do make money - similar to used CD/LP stores, artist get's nothing...
How illegal is to listen music, and, what difference it makes, if you've bought CD from used record store or downloading from file sharing server while paying for?

Another side of the story...What about music industry executives stealling from artists? in millions or thousands or hundreds of thousands...Is RIAA concerned about?

And Album Production Quality? Why all records and CDs cost the same if there are very good sounding ones and some very bad produced?
Let's say, do all the cars - Lamborghini and in-between or Kia cost the same? all you drive...just like all CD you can listen - bad production or good.
I think, Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon should cost maybe $1000...while Def Leppard albums - $1 each...if you compare Production and Sound Quality...just like in my example about cars.
I do listen recently some music thru my HiFiMan player with HifiMan earphones...all I can tell, sound quality is very different of a lot of albums...
What does RIAA think about such issue? Is it Legal to charge a customer for artist poor work same vs. artist with good produced CD/LP album?

Is it legal and moral to complain about people downloading music for free - torrent, while music companies executives ripping artists off?

Does anyone know, let's say, how much of $$$ Billy Joel have been ripped off from record companies?
Many artists, I'm sure, could tell their stories about their deals with Record Co's

And..who stole from Led Zeppelin $300,000(maybe = to $3,000,000 in todays value) in 1973 in NY? They played bloody good concerts back then...but got no $$$...

And all fault is those, who download music for free?
 

cool.dx.rip

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I do collect LPs and main source to listen to my music. Is my music collection legal or illegal?

Record Cleaning - Soap and Water

Depends, how you look at it. If illegal is when you listen to music that artist doesn't get money from you, my music collection is illegal - I've bought all of these used, artist didn't get a penny from me, record dealers at Record Shows, Used LP/CD stores made money from my music collection.
In digital format - Flac, Ape, Mp3 or CD. Only money artist gets, if you buy brand new CD at the music store. If you buy very same CD @ Used CD store, only store makes money.
If someone downloads music from file sharing servers using premium - paid account, File Sharing Servers do make money - similar to used CD/LP stores, artist get's nothing...
How illegal is to listen music, and, what difference it makes, if you've bought CD from used record store or downloading from file sharing server while paying for?

Another side of the story...What about music industry executives stealling from artists? in millions or thousands or hundreds of thousands...Is RIAA concerned about?

And Album Production Quality? Why all records and CDs cost the same if there are very good sounding ones and some very bad produced?
Let's say, do all the cars - Lamborghini and in-between or Kia cost the same? all you drive...just like all CD you can listen - bad production or good.
I think, Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon should cost maybe $1000...while Def Leppard albums - $1 each...if you compare Production and Sound Quality...just like in my example about cars.
I do listen recently some music thru my HiFiMan player with HifiMan earphones...all I can tell, sound quality is very different of a lot of albums...
What does RIAA think about such issue? Is it Legal to charge a customer for artist poor work same vs. artist with good produced CD/LP album?

Is it legal and moral to complain about people downloading music for free - torrent, while music companies executives ripping artists off?

Does anyone know, let's say, how much of $$$ Billy Joel have been ripped off from record companies?
Many artists, I'm sure, could tell their stories about their deals with Record Co's

And..who stole from Led Zeppelin $300,000(maybe = to $3,000,000 in todays value) in 1973 in NY? They played bloody good concerts back then...but got no $$$...

And all fault is those, who download music for free?

thankssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss man
 

reallyscrued

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Can you guys tell me the difference between a regular Intel processor and an overclocked one?

See, I can make inappropriate analogies as well.

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I don't see how my analogy was inappropriate. Whether a digital file of the same song was obtained legally or not has no bearing on the quality of its contents.

It's conceivable you could illegally download a FLAC version of a song and compare it to the same song, an AAC, legally downloaded and find that there is more aural information (probably above the threshold of human hearing) in the illegally obtained file.

The opposite can hold true as well; the key is that how you obtained the file has no bearing on its quality.

As for your analogy: comparing the same processor, the one clocked at higher than manufacturer's rating will always outperform the one clocked at its nominal rating, regardless of whether or not you 'stole' the processor.
 

SyndromeOCZ

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Can you guys tell me the difference in a legally purchased BMW vs a stolen one? Will the legally purchased one go faster? thanx

Well with the stolen one, the person who you stole it from will no longer have the BMW. See how pointless your analogy is now?
 

Kadarin

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The legality of the music has nothing to do with the technical quality of the music.
 

reallyscrued

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Well with the stolen one, the person who you stole it from will no longer have the BMW. See how pointless your analogy is now?

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Are you being intentionally dense?

My analogy was supposed to express this sentiment:

The legality of the music has nothing to do with the technical quality of the music.


I was in no way referring to piracy nor was I trying to turn this into a piracy debate. I was trying to point out how inane the original question was.
 
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lagokc

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If illegal is when you listen to music that artist doesn't get money from you, my music collection is illegal - I've bought all of these used, artist didn't get a penny from me

Book publishers in the 1890s actually tried to make it illegal to sell used books using that logic. First-sale doctrine was created to make it clear that once a copy is purchased, the purchaser has the right to resell that copy.
 

cool.dx.rip

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So what you guys are telling me is that all things equal, there is no difference in the quality of a digital audio file regardless of whether it was paid for or illegally obtained? And that buying an original disc simply adds to the pocketbooks of the artists and harms the environment by the creation of the plastics used for the physical product? :)))))))))))))))))00
 
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taq8ojh

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Uhh... Anyone has klingon dictionary please? I am sure there is wisdom in that post, but I just cannot decipher it.
 

Ketchup

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Uhh... Anyone has klingon dictionary please? I am sure there is wisdom in that post, but I just cannot decipher it.

I'm sorry sir. The universal translator is down. Please restart your request, lol.