Difference between Muslim and Islamist?

[Londo_Jowo]

I don't know, they are all the same and all deserve the same fate.

So much hate, you're a sad, sad individual.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Sharia is not legitimate , neither in Saudi Arabia nor in any current
so called muslim state as it is explicitly said in the Quran that there s
conditions that must be respected for its application being legitim ,
and to this day , no muslim country fit these conditions.

The saudi monarchy is the same as european medieval kingdoms :

To the king belongs people s bodies and goods while their brains belong
to a corrupted church...

Doesn't Islam, as in the Koran itself, say that it should be spread to all lands and doesn't it state how to deal with unbelievers too (in the Koran, unbelevers are referred to as kaafirs)? As in kill them all.

It's not just your run of the mill fucked up sect, it's a religion that has as a goal to convert everyone and kill those who won't.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

WIR WOLLEN DIE JUDEN AUSROTEN.

Not going to happen, sonny boi.

 

[Jaskalas]

Doesn't Islam, as in the Koran itself, say that it should be spread to all lands and doesn't it state how to deal with unbelievers too (in the Koran, unbelevers are referred to as kaafirs)? As in kill them all.

It's not just your run of the mill fucked up sect, it's a religion that has as a goal to convert everyone and kill those who won't.

Few years ago you slandered anyone even remotely speaking like that as genocidal maniacs. What happened to you?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Few years ago you slandered anyone even remotely speaking like that as genocidal maniacs. What happened to you?

I became a civilian and no longer have to be civil on these matters.

Read that twice and understand how ironic the wording is.

 

[Infohawk]

Islamists are Muslims who attempt to force their religion into the political sphere through implementing sharia law, creating theocratic states,etc. Any religion can do this. America has significant numbers of Christianists who try to legislate their faith, and Jews have a somewhat similar version in Zionism.

Any religion can do this yet some are more successful and are more naturally suited to it. Unlike Christianity, Islam has Sharia in its scriptures. Christianity has "render unto Caesar."

 

[fskimospy]

Any religion can do this yet some are more successful and are more naturally suited to it. Unlike Christianity, Islam has Sharia in its scriptures. Christianity has "render unto Caesar."

Ask the victims of the Spanish Inquisition how all that rendering unto Caesar went. Islam is more inherently political than Christianity or Judaism though, I agree. I tend to find theocracy as a symptom of a poorly developed institutional structure much more than what religion that theocracy happens to be about.

 

[Infohawk]

Ask the victims of the Spanish Inquisition how all that rendering unto Caesar went. Islam is more inherently political than Christianity or Judaism though, I agree. I tend to find theocracy as a symptom of a poorly developed institutional structure much more than what religion that theocracy happens to be about.

OK then.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

WIR WOLLEN DIE JUDEN AUSROTEN.

Funny how you're the only one playing the Jew card. As I said you are so full of hate and a sad, sad individual. I will laugh when you get banned again, hopefully this time it will be permanent.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I am a Nazist and PROUD OF IT!

We all know that.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Originally Posted by Londo_Jowo
I am a Nazist and PROUD OF IT!

Thanks, this post has been reported. Have a nice day.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Thanks, this post has been reported. Have a nice day.

Just piss off you anti-semitic piece of sheit Nazi boi.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Islamists are Muslims who attempt to force their religion into the political sphere through implementing sharia law, creating theocratic states,etc. Any religion can do this. America has significant numbers of Christianists who try to legislate their faith, and Jews have a somewhat similar version in Zionism.

LOL ; YOU do know Islam is older than muslim followers of Mohammed born around 666 A.D. I do believe the HRCC was founded in 333ad

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Ask the victims of the Spanish Inquisition how all that rendering unto Caesar went. Islam is more inherently political than Christianity or Judaism though, I agree. I tend to find theocracy as a symptom of a poorly developed institutional structure much more than what religion that theocracy happens to be about.

When the belief system DEMANDS IT, it's not a symptom at all, it's the actual belief in itself that is the problem.

Take todays Afghanistan, a "democratic" system where a 16 year old girl was recently sentenced to jail for FORCED WHORING while the guy who raped her did not face criminal charges of any kind.

There is no excuse for Islam, it's not just a religion that can be incorporated into society, we have honor killings and acid burnings of young girls in our nations too, they have their own laws and believe that those trumph any laws of any land.

Pissing on a dead body compared to torturing a young girl for hours after gang raping her, ONE of these things is something that Islamists object to and one that we take a stand against.

The other is one of those things that is OK because of their religion.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Just piss off you anti-semitic piece of sheit Nazi boi.

Saved

 

[fskimospy]

When the belief system DEMANDS IT, it's not a symptom at all, it's the actual belief in itself that is the problem.

Take todays Afghanistan, a "democratic" system where a 16 year old girl was recently sentenced to jail for FORCED WHORING while the guy who raped her did not face criminal charges of any kind.

There is no excuse for Islam, it's not just a religion that can be incorporated into society, we have honor killings and acid burnings of young girls in our nations too, they have their own laws and believe that those trumph any laws of any land.

Pissing on a dead body compared to torturing a young girl for hours after gang raping her, ONE of these things is something that Islamists object to and one that we take a stand against.

The other is one of those things that is OK because of their religion.

Except of course there are tons of believers in Islam the world over who find such practices abhorrent. You're just engaging in broad, silly generalizations. People have used Christianity as a driver of horrifying behavior throughout history too. Although Islam is more amenable to transmission into the political realm, it is a cultural and societal dysfunction that causes these behaviors far more than any religion.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Except of course there are tons of believers in Islam the world over who find such practices abhorrent. You're just engaging in broad, silly generalizations. People have used Christianity as a driver of horrifying behavior throughout history too. Although Islam is more amenable to transmission into the political realm, it is a cultural and societal dysfunction that causes these behaviors far more than any religion.

Not really, their religion DEMANDS it and if you had read the Koran it also speaks about biding your time in a society based on Islamic law, their time will come.

It's not a religion, it's a system to rule nations and if you ask any Muslim directly, he'll tell you that that is the final goal.

I am not a fan of any religion but Islam is not comparable as the end goal is to rule all under Islamic law, fight and kill those who won't convert and convert those who will convert.

It's not like this is in question, READ THE KORAN, it's explicitly stated in the very book of the Muslim Faith.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I hate all Jews so very much, the Nazis were right.

Now, that's just disgusting, not unexpected coming from you, but still disgusting.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Originally Posted by Londo_Jowo
I hate all Jews so very much, the Nazis were right.

Now, that's just disgusting, not unexpected coming from you, but still disgusting.

Yet another one saved.

 

[fskimospy]

Not really, their religion DEMANDS it and if you had read the Koran it also speaks about biding your time in a society based on Islamic law, their time will come.

It's not a religion, it's a system to rule nations and if you ask any Muslim directly, he'll tell you that that is the final goal.

I am not a fan of any religion but Islam is not comparable as the end goal is to rule all under Islamic law, fight and kill those who won't convert and convert those who will convert.

It's not like this is in question, READ THE KORAN, it's explicitly stated in the very book of the Muslim Faith.

It's absolutely in question, as is easily proven by having a conversation with someone who is Muslim. I know dozens of Muslims and not a single one believes that. (unless they are REALLY GOOD SEEKRET MOOSLEMS) What you're trying to do is every bit as ridiculous as saying that all Christians support any one of the hundreds of hideous things in the Bible just because it is written in 'the very book of their faith'.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

It's absolutely in question.

In a word, no.

Ask a Muslim directly what the Koran says on the matter and if he believes it.

You won't find ONE SINGLE Muslim that will state he believes the Koran is fallible.

Regarding Christians, are you daft? I posted about IRA's latest antics just a day or two ago, i am NOT going to excuse Christian terrorism by saying "well look at Islamists, they are worse" and you shouldn't even try to do the reverse either.

I am well aware of the dark ages, the Inquisition, the ETA, the IRA, the RIRA and Ugandan Christians hacking infants to death with machetes, i am NOT in ANY WAY trying to state that Christian terrorists are a great old bunch of good guys.

What i am saying is that by the very religion, Islam is and always have been a religion based on conquest and killing of kaafirs.

That isn't just historically correct, anyone can pop open a Koran and READ IT FOR THEMSELVES too. The entire religion is based on a world under Islamic rule, this is NOT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Yet another one saved.

Said the SDA to the JW.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Not really, their religion DEMANDS it and if you had read the Koran it also speaks about biding your time in a society based on Islamic law, their time will come. --- that is why Europe until recently had no problems. Why? Because they were biding their time until their numbers grew large enough to that they could in effect deman they be governed by their own laws and not by the laws of the countries they were in.

It's not a religion, it's a system to rule nations and if you ask any Muslim directly, he'll tell you that that is the final goal.-- been there done that.:thumbsup:

I am not a fan of any religion but Islam is not comparable as the end goal is to rule all under Islamic law, fight and kill those who won't convert and convert those who will convert. -- seems to be the theme of Islam!

It's not like this is in question, READ THE KORAN, it's explicitly stated in the very book of the Muslim Faith.

Too often instead of reading the Koran these people will instead divert the topic by trying to use the history of Christianity as a comparison. When we both know that was then, this is now. There is no comparison. For those who would read honestly the Koran they will be enlightened. Islam is NOT just another religion. Everything Mr. Sheffield says about Islam and the Koran is 100% true!



If you want to talk about Christianity or judaism start another thread.

Shalom!!

 

[fskimospy]

In a word, no.

Ask a Muslim directly what the Koran says on the matter and if he believes it.

You won't find ONE SINGLE Muslim that will state he believes the Koran is fallible.

Regarding Christians, are you daft? I posted about IRA's latest antics just a day or two ago, i am NOT going to excuse Christian terrorism by saying "well look at Islamists, they are worse" and you shouldn't even try to do the reverse either.

I am well aware of the dark ages, the Inquisition, the ETA, the IRA, the RIRA and Ugandan Christians hacking infants to death with machetes, i am NOT in ANY WAY trying to state that Christian terrorists are a great old bunch of good guys.

What i am saying is that by the very religion, Islam is and always have been a religion based on conquest and killing of kaafirs.

That isn't just historically correct, anyone can pop open a Koran and READ IT FOR THEMSELVES too. The entire religion is based on a world under Islamic rule, this is NOT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

I like how in one post you have not only spoken for the religious interpretations of one billion people, but then declared the entire topic NOT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

You're acting like a fool right now, and a quick trip to Brooklyn to come visit me would quickly disabuse you of your unfortunate misunderstandings of how Islam is expressed in different communities. If you ever feel like venturing over to educate yourself, please let me know.

EDIT: Oh, and my statement about Christians had nothing to do with their actions, it had to do with reminding you of how people interpret religious texts differently. Many Christians believe the bible to be the literal word of god, yet they do not perform all it commands literally.

 

[kylebisme]

Doesn't Islam, as in the Koran itself, say that it should be spread to all lands and doesn't it state how to deal with unbelievers too (in the Koran, unbelevers are referred to as kaafirs)? As in kill them all.

No, the Qur'an doesn't say that. It says things which can be misinterpreted as that, much like the Talmud says things which can be misinterpreted to make Judaism out to be a detestable religion, but in both cases there is a difference between what the texts actually say and how some people choose to interpret them.