Difference between FCPGA and Slot1?

[steimm]

What's the difference between FCPGA and Slot1? (Of course the pins and the layout etc...)
Which one is best? Does it matter? Is it when you want to get maximum cooling effect you make the choice? FCPGA better for cooling? Is it any difference regarding to the cache? Anyone of them faster than the other?

If I have a motherboard that has Slot1, should I buy a CPU that is Slot1 or a FCPGA with Slotket/Slocket for Slot1?


/Steimm

 

[AndyHui]

No performance difference, no differences regarding cache if they are Coppermine processors...most people buy FC-PGA now since Slot 1 has been phased out.

You can't really say which one is best.....I guess Slot 1 is a little more robust, but essentially it doesn't really matter. Buy FC-PGA.

 

[jeremy806]

FCPGA with adapter is the way to go.

As for the difference, some slot 1 chips are not flip chips. Flip chips are generally better than non-flip chips because they cool better.

If the chip on the slot 1 is a flip chip (I am not sure if they are or not) then I would think they are the same.

Generally, there are more FC cpus out there than plain slot one, that is why I bought my adapter.

jeremy806

 

[bacillus]

if you're going to use exotic cooling like a peltier then for ease get the slot 1.
apart from that there's no real difference rembering of course that new
slot 1 m/boards are dying out, most now being factored to use the flip chip!

 

[bacillus]

<< As for the difference, some slot 1 chips are not flip chips >>



with respect, your response shows a little misunderstanding on your part between slot1 cpus &amp; flipchip cpus!

 

[baldy]

Some slot 1's (PIII's) come with 512 on board (the early ones, cache running @1/2 core speed), the newer issues come with the coppermine core and only 256 on board, but running at full core speed, rather than the 1/2 core speed.

The flip chip is the socketed version of the coppermine CPU, and it is essentially the same as its slot1 cousin w/the coppermine core.

Hopes this clears up what Bacillis was alluding to.

BTW, the Sloted CPU's are on there way out, but will be around for awhile, so don't panic yet. And, the best part of all this, with a slocket, you can run either the flipper or a slot 1 in the same board with the same results, generally speaking.

I have found out the flippers tend to clock a little better.

baldy out

 

[Beater]

From personal experience I have found that there are some compatability probs with slotkets. Only real advantage in using them is if you upgrade your motherboard and not your chip, which is unlikely, you will not be limited by the fact that you have a slot 1 processor.

 

[Wingznut]

To help clear things up.

The coppermine is a &quot;flip chip&quot;, be it a Slot 1 design or a FC-PGA (socket) design. The term comes from the fact that the silicon die is actually flipped over, in relation to previous cpu's.

You can get &quot;flip chips&quot; in either Slot 1 or FC-PGA (socket) flavor.

 

[Wingznut]

To answer steimm's question...

There really isn't an advantage either way. However, FC-PGA (socket) cpu's are more readily available, and your motherboard choice is much more diverse. Personally, I'd go with the FC-PGA socket design.

 

[Assimilator1]

Also FC PGA cpu's have a much greater choice of heatsinks to fit them than the slot 1 versions do (as I found out )

 

[EvilDonnyboy]

I disagree, about lesser hs selection with S1. There's plenty selection, but there are only 2 hs that count. Alpha P3-125 and GlobalWin VOS32. If you want to get cheaper, get the S1 Gorb. What more do you need?

 

[Assimilator1]

but there are only 2 hs that count

My point exactly

That doesnt change the fact that their is much less of choice for Slot 1 HSF's ,yeah their are still a couple of good HSF's for them ,the Alpha (over priced) &amp; the VOS32 (oversized) ,the gorb is just over rated.
The FCPGA has a much wider choice for better prices

 

[Tsaico]

All i all things are the same, you can get cheap, well relatively cheap, alpha, and my golden orb can handle oc'ing a 700 to 833 with about two degrees difference in running temp(with my aplha, I can get it to 1ghz, but won't run stable, stillworkingon that one...). It is just easier and cheaper for intel to produce the socket style chip... So eventually it will be impossible to find new motherboards for slot 1...