Diesel in a gas engine?

[Scarpozzi]

I know it's already been taken care of, but I know a couple of guys at a previous company that filled their truck up with diesel fuel and had to have the tank drained. Diesel won't hurt the tank, but it will not run in a gasoline engine.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
sheesh. some of you guys take yourselves way to seriously.

how many of you posting really know for a fact?? or are most of you just guessing??

i don't know for a fact. but i do know this, if there is a large enough amount of gas vs diesel in the tank, the engine will be fine. what that ratio is, i don't know, but i do know that at some point it will work without any real issues.

all this discussion of how diesel is combusted etc only serve as theory and don't really deal with the reality of the situation.

she has 1.3 gallons of diesel, is 8.7 gallons of gas going to be enough?

if he syphons, no matter how well he syphons off the diesel, SOME of it will remain in the tank, let's say .3 gallons, if so, will 9.7 gallons of gas be enough?

less is better, so i wouldn't take a chance. i'd syphon, but who knows, mb 8.7 gallons of gas WILL be enough, plus they can burn about 3 gallons of it and add more gas further reducing the concentration of the diesel. etc.

It's a 13 gallon tank. So with 1.3 gallons, if she had filled it up, it would be a 9:1 ratio of gasoline: diesel. That is very significant. It would definately change the properties of the gasoline... most likely in undesirable ways. Filling the tank up would probably actually be the worst thing(well.. other than trying to run it on straight diesel), because it would stretch the exposure time way out.

Think of it this way.. When you mix oil with gasoline for a 2-cycle engine, a typical ratio would be 40:1. That would only be 40oz(0.31gallons of diesel) in 12.7 gallons of gasoline.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
sheesh. some of you guys take yourselves way to seriously.

how many of you posting really know for a fact?? or are most of you just guessing??

i don't know for a fact. but i do know this, if there is a large enough amount of gas vs diesel in the tank, the engine will be fine. what that ratio is, i don't know, but i do know that at some point it will work without any real issues.

all this discussion of how diesel is combusted etc only serve as theory and don't really deal with the reality of the situation.

she has 1.3 gallons of diesel, is 8.7 gallons of gas going to be enough?

if he syphons, no matter how well he syphons off the diesel, SOME of it will remain in the tank, let's say .3 gallons, if so, will 9.7 gallons of gas be enough?

less is better, so i wouldn't take a chance. i'd syphon, but who knows, mb 8.7 gallons of gas WILL be enough, plus they can burn about 3 gallons of it and add more gas further reducing the concentration of the diesel. etc.

It's a 13 gallon tank. So with 1.3 gallons, if she had filled it up, it would be a 9:1 ratio of gasoline: diesel. That is very significant. It would definately change the properties of the gasoline... most likely in undesirable ways. Filling the tank up would probably actually be the worst thing(well.. other than trying to run it on straight diesel), because it would stretch the exposure time way out.

Think of it this way.. When you mix oil with gasoline for a 2-cycle engine, a typical ratio would be 40:1. That would only be 40oz(0.31gallons of diesel) in 12.7 gallons of gasoline.

mb this is my ignorance speaking but i've always believed diesel to be significantly lighter than motor oil.

if diesel is 1/2 the density of motor oil, than the 9:1 ratio you mentioned would be equivalent to a 18:1 ratio with motor oil.

otoh, people drive cars that leak and burn oil for long periods of time. could the diesel be any worse than that?

 

[slag]

It would smoke a little, not too bad, and run a little rough, but 1.3 gallons in a 13 gallon tank is definitely not enough to worry about.

Everyone that says it will ruin your engine and you should get it out now have never had this happen to them before.


Diesel will mix with the gas and combust.

 

[JulesMaximus]

It will damage the engine. I did this once many many years ago and had to have the car towed to the dealership for about $500 worth of repairs.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
It will damage the engine. I did this once many many years ago and had to have the car towed to the dealership for about $500 worth of repairs.

what was your ratio of diesel to gas. this is a very important point. there is a point at which there would be MINIMAL damage.

 

[StageLeft]

So what did she end up doing?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
It will damage the engine. I did this once many many years ago and had to have the car towed to the dealership for about $500 worth of repairs.

what was your ratio of diesel to gas. this is a very important point. there is a point at which there would be MINIMAL damage.

As I recall it was mostly diesel in the tank as it was almost empty when I added the diesel fuel. It started and ran for a very short while and then stopped running. Would not start after that.

He certainly made the right call by emptying the tank and not attempting to run the car with diesel in it in my opinion. Better to be safe than have your car towed to the dealership for $500 worth of repairs in my opinion.

 

[slag]

I disagree. That small amount of Diesel would not hurt anything, even in a new honda.

 

[alkemyst]

people's perceived knowledge of cars on this board is extremely painful.

I would love to go add 1.3 gallons of diesel to my 10.5 gallon tank, however, even if I did and as expected nothing terribly bad happened....90% would still doubt, I'd be willing to bet more than a handful would claim the station accidentally put regular gas in the diesel tank and I got lucky.

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
So what did she end up doing?

I siphoned it out about two days ago. Then we filled it up with orange juice, like you said, just to make sure it ran perfectly.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
people's perceived knowledge of cars on this board is extremely painful.

I would love to go add 1.3 gallons of diesel to my 10.5 gallon tank, however, even if I did and as expected nothing terribly bad happened....90% would still doubt, I'd be willing to bet more than a handful would claim the station accidentally put regular gas in the diesel tank and I got lucky.

Go add diesel to your car then and STFU.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Linux23
that is why every state should adopt the NJ State Law of never letting customers fill their own tank.

this is one time I can say that I am proud to be from Joisee.

Oregon has that same law and all everyone does is bitch about it.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: alkemyst
people's perceived knowledge of cars on this board is extremely painful.

I would love to go add 1.3 gallons of diesel to my 10.5 gallon tank, however, even if I did and as expected nothing terribly bad happened....90% would still doubt, I'd be willing to bet more than a handful would claim the station accidentally put regular gas in the diesel tank and I got lucky.

Go add diesel to your car then and STFU.

sure thing there sparky *shiver*

 

[maziwanka]

step in the name of love

its funny how this thread started about diesel in a car and somehow pics were posted of the dude and his gf.

 

[bbrontosaurus]

Originally posted by: KraziKid

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Diesel is fine for a gas engine. I often fill the maxima up with diesel if prices are good. My miles per gallon go to about 35/48, although I do lose some overall power. My low-end torque is sweet though. Nissans are so sweet because the engines will take any gas you put in it. You can even put orange juice in and it will use the energy in that to run. It's an expensive way to run it, but you get a huge horsepower boost running orange juice. Unfortunately you want a pulp free one, otherwise the fuel filter gets clogged fairly quickly.

Do you use stickers too? Did you know teh sticker give j00 5 HP each.

Fool...the stickers give you at LEAST 10 hp each.

 

[huesmann]

Originally posted by: dtyn
She had a momentary lapse of intelligence apparently.

Clearly more than momentary. She's dating you, isn't she?

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Diesel is fine for a gas engine. I often fill the maxima up with diesel if prices are good. My miles per gallon go to about 35/48, although I do lose some overall power. My low-end torque is sweet though. Nissans are so sweet because the engines will take any gas you put in it. You can even put orange juice in and it will use the energy in that to run. It's an expensive way to run it, but you get a huge horsepower boost running orange juice. Unfortunately you want a pulp free one, otherwise the fuel filter gets clogged fairly quickly.

N/A Diesel iz teh Sux0r

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: LAUST

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Diesel is fine for a gas engine. I often fill the maxima up with diesel if prices are good. My miles per gallon go to about 35/48, although I do lose some overall power. My low-end torque is sweet though. Nissans are so sweet because the engines will take any gas you put in it. You can even put orange juice in and it will use the energy in that to run. It's an expensive way to run it, but you get a huge horsepower boost running orange juice. Unfortunately you want a pulp free one, otherwise the fuel filter gets clogged fairly quickly.

N/A Diesel iz teh Sux0r

Take off the air filter on your truck and see what kind of animals end up in your Lysholm.

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: huesmann

Originally posted by: dtyn
She had a momentary lapse of intelligence apparently.

Clearly more than momentary. She's dating you, isn't she?

Dem are fightin werds, boy. Don't be messin with no Tennessee boy, less you want a good ass woopin.

EDIT: And not only is she dating me, but she's marrying me too. Guess she's really stupid!

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: huesmann

Originally posted by: dtyn
She had a momentary lapse of intelligence apparently.

Clearly more than momentary. She's dating you, isn't she?

Dem are fightin werds, boy. Don't be messin with no Tennessee boy, less you want a good ass woopin.

EDIT: And not only is she dating me, but she's marrying me too. Guess she's really stupid!

How old are you? You look too young to be getting married.

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: LAUST

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Diesel is fine for a gas engine. I often fill the maxima up with diesel if prices are good. My miles per gallon go to about 35/48, although I do lose some overall power. My low-end torque is sweet though. Nissans are so sweet because the engines will take any gas you put in it. You can even put orange juice in and it will use the energy in that to run. It's an expensive way to run it, but you get a huge horsepower boost running orange juice. Unfortunately you want a pulp free one, otherwise the fuel filter gets clogged fairly quickly.

N/A Diesel iz teh Sux0r

Take off the air filter on your truck and see what kind of animals end up in your Lysholm.

prolly take out my MAF before they do the blower

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
sheesh. some of you guys take yourselves way to seriously.

how many of you posting really know for a fact?? or are most of you just guessing??

i don't know for a fact. but i do know this, if there is a large enough amount of gas vs diesel in the tank, the engine will be fine. what that ratio is, i don't know, but i do know that at some point it will work without any real issues.

all this discussion of how diesel is combusted etc only serve as theory and don't really deal with the reality of the situation.

she has 1.3 gallons of diesel, is 8.7 gallons of gas going to be enough?

if he syphons, no matter how well he syphons off the diesel, SOME of it will remain in the tank, let's say .3 gallons, if so, will 9.7 gallons of gas be enough?

less is better, so i wouldn't take a chance. i'd syphon, but who knows, mb 8.7 gallons of gas WILL be enough, plus they can burn about 3 gallons of it and add more gas further reducing the concentration of the diesel. etc.

It's a 13 gallon tank. So with 1.3 gallons, if she had filled it up, it would be a 9:1 ratio of gasoline: diesel. That is very significant. It would definately change the properties of the gasoline... most likely in undesirable ways. Filling the tank up would probably actually be the worst thing(well.. other than trying to run it on straight diesel), because it would stretch the exposure time way out.

Think of it this way.. When you mix oil with gasoline for a 2-cycle engine, a typical ratio would be 40:1. That would only be 40oz(0.31gallons of diesel) in 12.7 gallons of gasoline.

mb this is my ignorance speaking but i've always believed diesel to be significantly lighter than motor oil.

if diesel is 1/2 the density of motor oil, than the 9:1 ratio you mentioned would be equivalent to a 18:1 ratio with motor oil.

otoh, people drive cars that leak and burn oil for long periods of time. could the diesel be any worse than that?

You don't mix normal motor oil with gasoline for a 2-cycle engine, it is MUCH lighter.. probably even lighter than diesel fuel.

A 2-cycle engine with a 40:1 mix ratio can produce a fair ammount of smoke. Like I said, 8 - 12:1 would be VERY significant. It would screw with the injectors, ECU, and after a full tank could produce some fouled plugs, possibly kill your catalytic converter...

The difference between a car that burns oil and putting heavy fuel into the tank is that the fuel from the tank has to be metered into the cylinders. When an engine burns oil, it is due to worn cylinder/rings or valve bushings, so it slips into the combustion chamber by "accident" and independantly of any metering systems.

Originally posted by: alkemyst
people's perceived knowledge of cars on this board is extremely painful.

I would love to go add 1.3 gallons of diesel to my 10.5 gallon tank, however, even if I did and as expected nothing terribly bad happened....90% would still doubt, I'd be willing to bet more than a handful would claim the station accidentally put regular gas in the diesel tank and I got lucky.

I agree, people's perceived knowledge of cars on this board is extremely painful.

You go mix diesel with your gasoline at ratios of 10 - 12:1 and come back and tell us what happens. It IS going to create some symptoms and problems. Of course it isn't going to cause your engine to grenade or something, but it isn't going to like it, I can tell you that much. I bet your car doubles as a mosquito fogger.

Some newer 2-cycle engines use ratios of 50:1, 80:1 and even 100:1.

I mix oil at 25:1 to break a 2-cycle engine in, and it smokes like hell on that rich a ratio. 12:1 would be insane.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
sheesh. some of you guys take yourselves way to seriously.

how many of you posting really know for a fact?? or are most of you just guessing??

i don't know for a fact. but i do know this, if there is a large enough amount of gas vs diesel in the tank, the engine will be fine. what that ratio is, i don't know, but i do know that at some point it will work without any real issues.

all this discussion of how diesel is combusted etc only serve as theory and don't really deal with the reality of the situation.

she has 1.3 gallons of diesel, is 8.7 gallons of gas going to be enough?

if he syphons, no matter how well he syphons off the diesel, SOME of it will remain in the tank, let's say .3 gallons, if so, will 9.7 gallons of gas be enough?

less is better, so i wouldn't take a chance. i'd syphon, but who knows, mb 8.7 gallons of gas WILL be enough, plus they can burn about 3 gallons of it and add more gas further reducing the concentration of the diesel. etc.

It's a 13 gallon tank. So with 1.3 gallons, if she had filled it up, it would be a 9:1 ratio of gasoline: diesel. That is very significant. It would definately change the properties of the gasoline... most likely in undesirable ways. Filling the tank up would probably actually be the worst thing(well.. other than trying to run it on straight diesel), because it would stretch the exposure time way out.

Think of it this way.. When you mix oil with gasoline for a 2-cycle engine, a typical ratio would be 40:1. That would only be 40oz(0.31gallons of diesel) in 12.7 gallons of gasoline.

mb this is my ignorance speaking but i've always believed diesel to be significantly lighter than motor oil.

if diesel is 1/2 the density of motor oil, than the 9:1 ratio you mentioned would be equivalent to a 18:1 ratio with motor oil.

otoh, people drive cars that leak and burn oil for long periods of time. could the diesel be any worse than that?

You don't mix normal motor oil with gasoline for a 2-cycle engine, it is MUCH lighter.. probably even lighter than diesel fuel.

A 2-cycle engine with a 40:1 mix ratio can produce a fair ammount of smoke. Like I said, 8 - 12:1 would be VERY significant. It would screw with the injectors, ECU, and after a full tank could produce some fouled plugs, possibly kill your catalytic converter...

The difference between a car that burns oil and putting heavy fuel into the tank is that the fuel from the tank has to be metered into the cylinders. When an engine burns oil, it is due to worn cylinder/rings or valve bushings, so it slips into the combustion chamber by "accident" and independantly of any metering systems.

Originally posted by: alkemyst
people's perceived knowledge of cars on this board is extremely painful.

I would love to go add 1.3 gallons of diesel to my 10.5 gallon tank, however, even if I did and as expected nothing terribly bad happened....90% would still doubt, I'd be willing to bet more than a handful would claim the station accidentally put regular gas in the diesel tank and I got lucky.

I agree, people's perceived knowledge of cars on this board is extremely painful.

You go mix diesel with your gasoline at ratios of 10 - 12:1 and come back and tell us what happens. It IS going to create some symptoms and problems. Of course it isn't going to cause your engine to grenade or something, but it isn't going to like it, I can tell you that much. I bet your car doubles as a mosquito fogger.

Some newer 2-cycle engines use ratios of 50:1, 80:1 and even 100:1.

I mix oil at 25:1 to break a 2-cycle engine in, and it smokes like hell on that rich a ratio. 12:1 would be insane.

IF as you say, the oil put in 2 cycle engines are LIGHTER than diesel, than you should be able to run a diesel engine on this Oil. To be honest. i really really doubt it. i don't think ANY oils are lighter than diesel. but of course that could just be my ignorance talking.

i'm SURE that diesel is lighter than any motor oil.

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: huesmann

Originally posted by: dtyn
She had a momentary lapse of intelligence apparently.

Clearly more than momentary. She's dating you, isn't she?

Dem are fightin werds, boy. Don't be messin with no Tennessee boy, less you want a good ass woopin.

EDIT: And not only is she dating me, but she's marrying me too. Guess she's really stupid!

How old are you? You look too young to be getting married.

Thank you. Those pictures are 2 years old, I'm 20 now. We're waiting until she graduates to get married, so about a year and a half. Many would still say that's too young, but I've been with her since the beginning of high school. Lived with her family for a little while, when I was kicked out of my house. There's a long history between us. Haha, this hardly has to do with Diesel in a gas engine anymore.