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Diesel Accord, anyone?

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Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: Lyfer
Call me a dumb@ss, but doesn't diesel engiens suck up gas more than convetional engines?
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Why do you think trucks use diesel?
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Also easier to get heaps of low-end torque from a diesel.

But yeah, almost all diesels are going to win efficiency contests, in terms of size of vehicle moving / how much gas it takes to move it.

I would love to see more diesels in consumer cars. more efficient. Also, with some diesels you can fuel it with veggie oil, once it's up and running. filter the oil well enough, and it won't damage anything. You can get veggie oil for free from resturants after they finish with it. Coure, your car might smell like french fries or onion rings, but thats not a bad price for free gas.

Of course, you could also cause strange things to build up in bad places . . .

but still, diesels rock.
 
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I've posted that link in a few threads... somebody mentioned the possibility of it being 92 Imperial mpg, which converted to either 72 or 76 US mpg, IIRC. Still pretty kick-ass though. There's been rumors of them bringing that engine over here.
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72-76 is still great, but of course this was a track in ideal conditions, so real life it would be comporable, I'm sure, to a VW.

In any case I wish VW was not the only cost-effective diesel out there. Veedubs suck crap these days, so it will be nice when somebody else can compete, plus it would show that diesel is a real alternative. As it is now VW is the only seller in small cars, but if another manufacturer would bring it over people's confidence in it would increase. A diesel for one of our cars would be perfect.

 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I've posted that link in a few threads... somebody mentioned the possibility of it being 92 Imperial mpg, which converted to either 72 or 76 US mpg, IIRC. Still pretty kick-ass though. There's been rumors of them bringing that engine over here.
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72-76 is still great, but of course this was a track in ideal conditions, so real life it would be comporable, I'm sure, to a VW.

In any case I wish VW was not the only cost-effective diesel out there. Veedubs suck crap these days, so it will be nice when somebody else can compete, plus it would show that diesel is a real alternative. As it is now VW is the only seller in small cars, but if another manufacturer would bring it over people's confidence in it would increase. A diesel for one of our cars would be perfect.
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You lose!!


Following the speed record attempts, the same two cars were then driven 419 miles from Papenburg test track to Wiesbaden, near Frankfurt in order to complete the fuel economy run. The route comprised of a mixture of motorway and non-motorway driving, during which one of the Accords achieved a staggering 92 mpg average.

 
Originally posted by: JDub02
i am a big, big fan of small turbo diesel motors. i wish we had a selection over here.
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common rail diesel my friend, turbo diesels are old.

the common rail technology is the reason new diesels are so quiet and refined. they allow for a single rail to feed the fuel to cylinders rather than have a seperate one for each

a compressor is attached to this rail to send the fuel at a high temp and pressure down the rail, then through small nozzels in the cylinders

basically when the diesel goes into the cylinders...it goes in more like petrol, like a fine mist thats already heated. as a result it combusts more readily (reducing the weight of the engine as thicker heads etc arent needed to cope with the higher compression) and it burns much cleaner and more efficiently, and in turn this means u can use less of it. and because youve removed a few more moving parts (ie injectors etc) the engine becomes much quieter

topgear fans - im sure you all saw when JC drove from london to scotland and back on one tank of petrol in the new Audi A8 V8 twin turbo diesel. he averaged about 36-40Mpg
and yes V8 twin turbo!

i really think diesels are going to become much more common for everyday cars.

the Audi cabriolet can be had with a 2.4litre diesel, the new Vauxhall tigra has a 1.4 diesel, the toureg has that monster V10 diesel, and BMW's diesel engines are sometimes better at every day driving than the petrol units they produce.

my dads car is diesel, and its great on the motorway. we just sail past everyone when it comes to a uphill section, accelerating in 5th is also no biggy
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I've posted that link in a few threads... somebody mentioned the possibility of it being 92 Imperial mpg, which converted to either 72 or 76 US mpg, IIRC. Still pretty kick-ass though. There's been rumors of them bringing that engine over here.
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72-76 is still great, but of course this was a track in ideal conditions, so real life it would be comporable, I'm sure, to a VW.

In any case I wish VW was not the only cost-effective diesel out there. Veedubs suck crap these days, so it will be nice when somebody else can compete, plus it would show that diesel is a real alternative. As it is now VW is the only seller in small cars, but if another manufacturer would bring it over people's confidence in it would increase. A diesel for one of our cars would be perfect.
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ya, i am currently seriously thinking about buying a Jetta TurboDiesel. either that or the ford escape hybrid. i really need something with better fuel economy than my 19 mpg Intrigue.
 
I've heard that Honda sold GM engines for the Vue in exchange for GM selling diesel tech to Honda. This would explain it.

For an example of the difference in a diesel:
'99 Dodge Ram (245HP/460Lbft diesel vs. 300HP/450LBft gas (V10)):
Unloaded: 16-18MPG vs. 8-10MPG
Towing: 14-16MPG vs. 4-6MPG

We had a 1978 GMC truck that got 8-10MPG empty, and 3-4 towing a 35' travel trailer, my dad got a '99 Ram w/ a Cummins after driving the trailer 600 miles, and stopping for gas to fill up the dual 20 gallon tanks every two hours. Now he can do 400 miles non-stop on a 35 gallon tank. 200+ gallons of gas on a trip vs. 40? I'll pick the latter. Now on that trip we'd save $400 on fuel alone. 🙂
 
cliftonite: The reason why I think that they haven't, is that diesels like to idle, and don't like starts and stops. And a gas+electric setup is more of a complimentary setup since electrics have high torque and gas engines can provide the higher speed power. Where I CAN see a diesel+electric setup would be in a scheme where the diesel is used as a generator and the motors are out at each wheel. Much like a train. This would allow the diesel to operate at the best RPM for the conditions (ie: idle, max power, max efficiency) and stay there rather than coming in and out of it's powerband. There are downsides to this arrangement though.
 
Originally posted by: cliftonite
Could they combine this diesel engine with a hybrid design for more fuel efficency?
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They could, but diesels are better than gasoline engines for a few of the same reasons hybrids are, so you're losing some ground there.... Basically what Demon-Xanth said. 😉
 
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
Originally posted by: JDub02
i am a big, big fan of small turbo diesel motors. i wish we had a selection over here.
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my dads car is diesel, and its great on the motorway. we just sail past everyone when it comes to a uphill section, accelerating in 5th is also no biggy
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Funniest thing happened a while ago, driving a long my Dad's diesel went past the petrol version of itself, and then we pretty much kept pace.
Then the road went uphill and the other guy (petrol) didn't stand a chance.

We have an old-ish BMW diesel, and there's a bit of turbo lag compared to more modern diesels. Have BMW sorted that out? (M reg, so 10 years old or thereabouts)
 
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
cliftonite: The reason why I think that they haven't, is that diesels like to idle, and don't like starts and stops. And a gas+electric setup is more of a complimentary setup since electrics have high torque and gas engines can provide the higher speed power. Where I CAN see a diesel+electric setup would be in a scheme where the diesel is used as a generator and the motors are out at each wheel. Much like a train. This would allow the diesel to operate at the best RPM for the conditions (ie: idle, max power, max efficiency) and stay there rather than coming in and out of it's powerband. There are downsides to this arrangement though.
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It can be done. I think VW did it with their UMWELT Diesel. It shuts off when you stop and restarts when you hit the 'gas'.
 
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
I've heard that Honda sold GM engines for the Vue in exchange for GM selling diesel tech to Honda. This would explain it.

For an example of the difference in a diesel:
'99 Dodge Ram (245HP/460Lbft diesel vs. 300HP/450LBft gas (V10)):
Unloaded: 16-18MPG vs. 8-10MPG
Towing: 14-16MPG vs. 4-6MPG

We had a 1978 GMC truck that got 8-10MPG empty, and 3-4 towing a 35' travel trailer, my dad got a '99 Ram w/ a Cummins after driving the trailer 600 miles, and stopping for gas to fill up the dual 20 gallon tanks every two hours. Now he can do 400 miles non-stop on a 35 gallon tank. 200+ gallons of gas on a trip vs. 40? I'll pick the latter. Now on that trip we'd save $400 on fuel alone. 🙂
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actually, isn't the big GM diesel (duramax) designed by isuzu? I could be wrong

I thought the trade was the Honda V6 technology for GM's V8 technology
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but there is no such thing as an "IMPERIAL" mile and a US mile. A mile is a mile. A kilometre is a kilometre. So an "Imperial" mile is a kilometre, thus the 92mpg is actually US 92mpg!
 
Originally posted by: Excelsior
yeah...I was about to say that 92mpg for diesel is TOO impressive for normal driving.
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I was wrong 😛
I just read it again. They said they took it for another run on normal roads after doing the speed endurance test on the track.
So they weren't going 132mph on the fuel economy run.
But then again, they were probably driving like the guy on top gear who got 45mpg on the V8 diesel. And that car is rated at like 30mpg.
So accord is probably going to be rated around 45mpg for street and 65mpg for highway.. But that's still crazy impressive
 
Originally posted by: BullyCanadian
Correct me if I'm wrong but there is no such thing as an "IMPERIAL" mile and a US mile. A mile is a mile. A kilometre is a kilometre. So an "Imperial" mile is a kilometre, thus the 92mpg is actually US 92mpg!
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Er, but there is such thing as an "IMPERIAL" gallon and a US gallon..........

1 Imperial gallon = 1.20095042 US gallons

92 / 1.20095042 = 76.6059934MPG
 
Originally posted by: cliftonite
Could they combine this diesel engine with a hybrid design for more fuel efficency?
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90+ MPG from what we have now and you want it to be more effeciant?
This is great and cannot wait till this hits the US shores. I will find a way to buy it because the gas money I will be saving will pay the car note and most likely have some cash left over.
I cannot wait to see more of this.

But of course the big three, Bush, and the oil companies will try their best to make sure it doesnt make it over here any time soon with all the record high profits Bush and the oil companies and making. And the big three wont want it because it will have performance, run forever (its honda and its a diesel that should see 500K before needing new rings) which will kill their sales if the car is remotely affordable.

Honda Accord Road TestHonda Accord Road Test

On The Road Car Price £18,900
Transmission 5 Speed Manual Gearbox
Automatic Transmission N/A
Body Style Saloon
Driven Wheels Front (FWD)

Engine Data
Engine Capacity 2204 cc
Cylinders 4
Power 140@4000 bhp
Torque 250@2000 lb/ft
Emissions Class EU4
CO2 Emissions 143 g/km - (Man)

Performance
Maximum Speed 131 mph - (Man)
0 - 62 mph 9.4 seconds - (Man)

Safety Rating and Insurance Group
NCAP Crash Test Rating
Insurance Group 12

Maintenance and Warranty
Service Interval 12500 miles
Warranty 3 years / 90000 miles

Fuel
Fuel Type Diesel
Fuel Capacity 65 litres / 14.30 gallons
Combined Fuel Consumption 52.3 mpg - (Man) Still not to shabby at all!

Dimensions and Capacities
Length 4665 mm
Width 1760 mm
Height 1445 mm
Wheel Base 2670 mm
Split/ Fold Rear Seat Standard
Boot Capacity 459 litres
Kerb Weight 1519 kg
Towing Limit 1500 kg

Safety and Security
ABS Standard
Front Seat Belt Pre-Tensioners Standard
Driver Airbag Standard
Passenger Standard
Front Side Airbags Standard
Alarm Standard
Immobiliser Standard
Central Locking Standard

Comfort
Power Steering Standard
Air Conditioning Standard
Electric Front Windows Standard
Manual Sunroof N/A
Electric Sunroof N/A
Electric Mirrors Standard
Leather Seats N/A
Cruise Control Standard
Alloy Wheels Standard
Metallic Paint £310

In Car Entertainment and Satellite Navigation
Radio/Cassette
Radio/CD Standard
RDS Standard
Satellite Navigation N/A
 
awe shite...if you go to the honda UK site, the specs tell a different story...

Honda Accord 2.2i CTDi Sport 4dr - specification and price
52.3 MPG (imperial gallons, I assume) thats 43.55 MPG US

Honda Accord 2.2i CTDi Sport Tourer - specification and price
48.7MPG (imperial gallons, I assume) that's 40.55 MPG US

repeat for the Executive 4dr and Executive tourer 4dr
main UK accord links

oh...1 US gallon is equal to .8326738 Imperial Gallons
or...1 Imperial Gallon is equal to 1.20095 US gallons

Now, lets try and guess if the UK tests to determine MPG are the sam as the US tests
 
Originally posted by: BullyCanadian
Correct me if I'm wrong but there is no such thing as an "IMPERIAL" mile and a US mile. A mile is a mile. A kilometre is a kilometre. So an "Imperial" mile is a kilometre, thus the 92mpg is actually US 92mpg!
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IMPERIAL GALLON.

 
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