Didn't ATI say Crossfire cards were going to be $349?

[Matt2]

Seeing how the X1800XL doesnt really give the 7800GT any competition and is $100+ more expensive, plus the phantom crossfire crisis, I caa't wait to get myself a 7800GT.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Hmm you guys can't seem to take a joke.

I get the joke now that you say its a joke but some of the things that you have stated made it hard to tell with out a wink or tounge out.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: CPlusPlusGeek

Originally posted by: Hacp
Whats with Nvidia's shimmering issues and bad shadows in games? ANyone who buys a Nvidia card is obviously getting an inferior product, not the High Quality product Nvidia states it is. Until Nvidia fixes their issues, I consider all their cards paper launches.

Funny I havent had these issues...

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1699680&enterthread=y

have a read of this ^ then

And the shimmering issues are well documented as i understand it...

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: rbV5

I don't think anyone can deny the accuracy of my assessment; they paper launched it twice at two different prices than they actually sold it for. This is known as noting "facts" not being "myopic".

LOL, your enthusiast zeal to "expose" Crossfire with your Capt. Obvious posting and reports of unavailability, pricing, competetiveness, historical ranking on a product you've shown over and over again that you are not interested in.....seems somewhat myopic to me...but hey, whatever floats your boat....by all means continue:thumbsup:

Again, I don't understand how anything I've posted in this thread qualifies as "myopic" a pejorative term.

Please post your accept definition of "myopic", and then a quote of something I've said here in this thread that qualifies as "myopic"- and remember, we're only talking about this thread.

Please refute one thing I've posted about Crossfire here that isn't 100% true, and qualifies my vision as "myopic".

I don't think you understand the word "myopic" and have misused it. Please prove me wrong.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Whats with Nvidia's shimmering issues and bad shadows in games? ANyone who buys a Nvidia card is obviously getting an inferior product, not the High Quality product Nvidia states it is. Until Nvidia fixes their issues, I consider all their cards paper launches.

Well, this is nice and all, but totally off topic.

We're discussing Crossfire pricing here, and you've come into the thread with some remarks about nVidia "shimmering"?

Have you seen the thread about trolling and baiting? I don't know if I've seen a clearer case of OT baiting, as nVidia shimmer issues have nothing to do with Crossfire, so to FI I go.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Rollo
I just got an ad from newegg in my email today- they have them for $449! ($100 higher than ATI stated, $50 higher than ATI themselves)

Although I suppose if newegg actually has them and ATIs stock is spotty, supply/demand kicks in.

yeah, you can't blame ATI for newegg's price gouging

I didn't? ATI is doing the same thing though, just to a lesser extent. They told reviewers the X850 master cards would be $349, and now are selling them for $399!

 

[Thorny]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Rollo
I just got an ad from newegg in my email today- they have them for $449! ($100 higher than ATI stated, $50 higher than ATI themselves)

Although I suppose if newegg actually has them and ATIs stock is spotty, supply/demand kicks in.

yeah, you can't blame ATI for newegg's price gouging

I didn't? ATI is doing the same thing though, just to a lesser extent. They told reviewers the X850 master cards would be $349, and now are selling them for $399!

Doesn't ATI ALWAYS price thier cards at least $50 higher than other retailers? I have never seen a new card priced competitively on thier website, unless you consider thier trade-up program, which then just closes the gap.


As far as Crossfire working on only X200 motherboards, there are two articles
here and here that seem to indicate that ANY dual PCIe motherboard, possibly including SLI boards, could work. Should we tell AT the same thing you told Jasonja about not posting 100% verifiable information?

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: Hacp
Hmm you guys can't seem to take a joke.

I get the joke now that you say its a joke but some of the things that you have stated made it hard to tell with out a wink or tounge out.

I have to agree...I think what you did was thread crapping and maybe it requires a vacation....I mean these are the rules we need to follow now right???

Stay on topic or out of the thread....

 

[nRollo]

I don't know about you guys, but we're I'm from "nVidia shimmers!" doesn't fit our definition of a "joke"?

It might be Chappelle "A" material though, I'm not the ultimate resource on comedy.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: thorny169

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Rollo
I just got an ad from newegg in my email today- they have them for $449! ($100 higher than ATI stated, $50 higher than ATI themselves)

Although I suppose if newegg actually has them and ATIs stock is spotty, supply/demand kicks in.

yeah, you can't blame ATI for newegg's price gouging

I didn't? ATI is doing the same thing though, just to a lesser extent. They told reviewers the X850 master cards would be $349, and now are selling them for $399!

Doesn't ATI ALWAYS price thier cards at least $50 higher than other retailers? I have never seen a new card priced competitively on thier website, unless you consider thier trade-up program, which then just closes the gap.

Errrr, why would they tell reviewers they will be $349 and then sell them at $399? You think because at some point in the future they will cost that, somewhere?!?!?
OK, then if nVidia tells reviewers their new 512MB GTXs will cost $300, because they will some day, somewhere, you'd be OK with that?! (not me!)

As far as Crossfire working on only X200 motherboards, there are two articles
here and here that seem to indicate that ANY dual PCIe motherboard, possibly including SLI boards, could work. Should we tell AT the same thing you told Jasonja about not posting 100% verifiable information?

Your links don't mean anything or disprove what I said:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2432&p=2

ATI has given us the indication that CrossFire should work on Intel Chipsets as well as their own. This could give new life to those Intel designs originally targeted at SLI. Though not explicitly stating that CrossFire will work in an NVIDIA SLI board, it definitely seems possible. From an adoption/compatibility standpoint, ATI is certainly "evaluating other options".

What? You're going buy hardware based on "should" and "possible"? I usually shoot for "It will work, or they'll refund my money"?

 

[rbV5]

Please refute one thing I've posted about Crossfire here that isn't 100% true, and qualifies my vision as "myopic".

Listen, I've noticed a bit of a turn-around as of late in the video forums, and I'd rather not get things stirred up, so accept my appologies if I have misconstrued your posts as being anything more than topical discussion on an important current topic.

I don't actually recall ATI themselves pricing Crossfire Master cards, and I'm not sure your links really show that either. If I were to guess, I would say ATI wouldn't price the master card cheaper than the regular X850 XT they also have for sale on their site? I dunno.

 

[Thorny]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: thorny169

Originally posted by: Rollo

I didn't? ATI is doing the same thing though, just to a lesser extent. They told reviewers the X850 master cards would be $349, and now are selling them for $399!

Doesn't ATI ALWAYS price thier cards at least $50 higher than other retailers? I have never seen a new card priced competitively on thier website, unless you consider thier trade-up program, which then just closes the gap.

Errrr, why would they tell reviewers they will be $349 and then sell them at $399? You think because at some point in the future they will cost that, somewhere?!?!?
OK, then if nVidia tells reviewers their new 512MB GTXs will cost $300, because they will some day, somewhere, you'd be OK with that?! (not me!)

I stated why I think ATI always list cards higher on thier website than other retailers do. Read my post and leave your nVidia examples out of it. Didn't you just post in FI for someone else doing that in this thread? Check some of thier other cards, ATI prices $50 higher than other retailers for BBATI cards.

As far as Crossfire working on only X200 motherboards, there are two articles
here and here that seem to indicate that ANY dual PCIe motherboard, possibly including SLI boards, could work. Should we tell AT the same thing you told Jasonja about not posting 100% verifiable information?

Your links don't mean anything or disprove what I said:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2432&p=2

ATI has given us the indication that CrossFire should work on Intel Chipsets as well as their own. This could give new life to those Intel designs originally targeted at SLI. Though not explicitly stating that CrossFire will work in an NVIDIA SLI board, it definitely seems possible. From an adoption/compatibility standpoint, ATI is certainly "evaluating other options".

What? You're going buy hardware based on "should" and "possible"? I usually shoot for "It will work, or they'll refund my money"?

My links prove that you were myopic in your reply to jasonja chastising him for speculating that any dual PCIe board would work. My link shows that AT posted the same speculation that he did when you replied with this

I disagree with this, and think if you are going to post an idea that directly contradicts what websites and ATI themselves have said, you should post a link to the results of someone who has done this successfully. I "think" a lot of things, what matters is backing up what you "think" with some sort of evidence.

It's dangerous to post you "think" this will work, someone with a SLI motherboard might read your post, spend their hard earned money on an ATI Crossfire master card, and find out that Jasonja "thinking" something should work doesn't mean it will, and they'll be out the money.

He didn't post that he was positive that it would work, but you jumped on him for even indicating it could. I think your reply fits the definition of myopic very well if you actually believe his post would encourage someone to buy an SLI board for a Crossfire setup.

 

[nRollo]

Ah yes. The dreaded "myopia".

I see what you mean: because something "might work" I should post that it "should work" or I'm "myopic".

It all makes sense now.

Well the facts are still ATI said it would be one price and sells it for another and there are no motherboards that officially support Crossfire, so it doesn't really matter because few of us have the time, money or know how to try make things work that "should" but have no vendor support.

 

[jasonja]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: jasonja
So it's still paper'd launch because you can't buy a motherboard?

What? Quote of where I said that? Actually I implied it's not a paper launch anymore by stating they're selling the cards?

How exactly is that ATI's fault?

I didn't say it was, why are you saying I did?

They don't make the mobos and the Xpress 200 chipsets have been shipping for awhile.

OK?

I also find it hard to believe that any old SLI or dual PCIe board wouldn't work. All of the Crossfire tech is in the cards compositing chip and the drivers so I would think any dual PCIe slot mobo would do. This is probably just a marketing move to sell more chipsets with their cards.

I disagree with this, and think if you are going to post an idea that directly contradicts what websites and ATI themselves have said, you should post a link to the results of someone who has done this successfully.

I "think" a lot of things, what matters is backing up what you "think" with some sort of evidence.

It's dangerous to post you "think" this will work, someone with a SLI motherboard might read your post, spend their hard earned money on an ATI Crossfire master card, and find out that Jasonja "thinking" something should work doesn't mean it will, and they'll be out the money.

Well you said:

Well, they are selling the X850 Crossfire Master cards now, so when motherboards arrive, that will be a "paper launch" no more.

So I read that as you claiming that the paper launch will only be over when the motherboards ships, yet ATI has no control over mobos.

You "think" a lot of things without backing any of them up. I simply posted what I think. If someone buys $500 worth of stuff simply because "I think" it may work then "I think" they are an idiot.

 

[nRollo]

ATI has done their part in the X800 Crossfire launch, we can only wait for the motherboard manufacturers to do theirs.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: Hacp
Hmm you guys can't seem to take a joke.

I get the joke now that you say its a joke but some of the things that you have stated made it hard to tell with out a wink or tounge out.

I have to agree...I think what you did was thread crapping and maybe it requires a vacation....I mean these are the rules we need to follow now right???

Stay on topic or out of the thread....

It wasn't a thread crap. It was a statement to point out that every little thing ATI does even a little miscue or some weird rumor. He does this continualy and knows that people will come in to defend/attack etc. This is wrong and should be bannable.

My statement was just to point out how ridiculous this is.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Ah yes. The dreaded "myopia".

I see what you mean: because something "might work" I should post that it "should work" or I'm "myopic".

It all makes sense now.

Well the facts are still ATI said it would be one price and sells it for another and there are no motherboards that officially support Crossfire, so it doesn't really matter because few of us have the time, money or know how to try make things work that "should" but have no vendor support.

you seem to be making much over an ATI price adjustment from a prelaunch price . . . especially over a x850 X-fire that will never be popular . . .
:roll:

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Rollo
Ah yes. The dreaded "myopia".

I see what you mean: because something "might work" I should post that it "should work" or I'm "myopic".

It all makes sense now.

Well the facts are still ATI said it would be one price and sells it for another and there are no motherboards that officially support Crossfire, so it doesn't really matter because few of us have the time, money or know how to try make things work that "should" but have no vendor support.

you seem to be making much over an ATI price adjustment from a prelaunch price . . . especially over a x850 X-fire that will never be popular . . .
:roll:

It's an interesting path to the world for the X850 Crossfire Apoppin.

1. ATI said it would launch in July, it didn't.
2. The ATI said it would cost $549, it didn't.
3. Then ATI said it would launch a few weeks ago, it didn't.
4. Then ATI said it would cost $349, it didn't.
5. It's an expensive enthusiast solution that has a 16X12 60Hz cap on it, even though a X850 Crossfire rig will likely cost $1000. when you factor two cards, a motherboard, and a psu.

If you don't think that is the most interesting thing to hit the video card world this year, what is? It's all just wild, a series of paper launches, misquotes on prices, hobbled performance. Can you think of anything else that COULD have gone wrong? It's news worthy stuff, and this was just the latest gaff.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Rollo
Ah yes. The dreaded "myopia".

I see what you mean: because something "might work" I should post that it "should work" or I'm "myopic".

It all makes sense now.

Well the facts are still ATI said it would be one price and sells it for another and there are no motherboards that officially support Crossfire, so it doesn't really matter because few of us have the time, money or know how to try make things work that "should" but have no vendor support.

you seem to be making much over an ATI price adjustment from a prelaunch price . . . especially over a x850 X-fire that will never be popular . . .
:roll:

It's an interesting path to the world for the X850 Crossfire Apoppin.

1. ATI said it would launch in July, it didn't.
2. The ATI said it would cost $549, it didn't.
3. Then ATI said it would launch a few weeks ago, it didn't.
4. Then ATI said it would cost $349, it didn't.
5. It's an expensive enthusiast solution that has a 16X12 60Hz cap on it, even though a X850 Crossfire rig will likely cost $1000. when you factor two cards, a motherboard, and a psu.

If you don't think that is the most interesting thing to hit the video card world this year, what is? It's all just wild, a series of paper launches, misquotes on prices, hobbled performance. Can you think of anything else that COULD have gone wrong? It's news worthy stuff, and this was just the latest gaff.

well then let's call the x850 "Cross-fire" - "MISS-fire" and let it go

it was a promised technology for x850 card owners. it is a HALF-failed promise . . . definitely a Step-UP from the completely FAILED Radeon MAXX [where ati PROMISED Win2K support and NEVER could]

Seriously,, Rollo - NO ONE - except nVidia fanboys find this really newsworthy. NO ONE wants x850 xfire . . . it SHOULD have been a technology demonstration with a X1800 xfire launch . . .
well, it wasn't . . . So . . . who got hurt?

current x800 card owners wouldn't touch one at its ridiculous price - performance.

NOW IF ati releasaes x1800xfire is in a similar situation - THEN you REALLY have some NEWS.
:Q

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin
NOW IF ati releasaes x1800xfire is in a similar situation - THEN you REALLY have some NEWS.
:Q

Will be interesting to see what X1800XT Crossfire will be, based on the interview NFS4 posted today.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1708689&enterthread=y

 

[apoppin]

yeah [of course] i [already] read that

should be pretty soon

should be
:roll:




and of course you are right when you said nVidia solution is more elegant . . they have been working on it for years.

X850 and x1850 is "bolted on"

WHen ati ANNOUNCED xfire - i said they were gonna have problemsand predicted at least a year to get the bugs out . . . i don't think we'll see a dongle with r600
:Q

 

[nRollo]

Wow Apoppin, we're agreeing again. This is getting to be a trend! :beer: