Did you know these numbers about US' skilled immigrants?

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Despite the fact that they constitute only 12% of the U.S. population, immigrants have started 52% of Silicon Valley's technology companies and contributed to more than 25% of our global patents. They make up 24% of the U.S. science and engineering workforce holding bachelor's degrees and 47% of science and engineering workers who have PhDs.

It's always surprised me how the US has no apparent problem allowing 1-2M illegals in each year with little education or contribution to the skilled, high-demand parts of the economy but it substantially resists skilled laborers coming in, who have to jump through tons of hoops and spend a lot of time and money and worry getting in legally (been there, done that, it sucks balls).

This article cites problems beyond the US' control, like language barriers, but visa issues are a prime concern. We almost left some years back and the lack of an easy-to-obtain-without-major-hassle green card would surely have been at the top of the list.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
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Despite the fact that they constitute only 12% of the U.S. population, immigrants have started 52% of Silicon Valley's technology companies and contributed to more than 25% of our global patents. They make up 24% of the U.S. science and engineering workforce holding bachelor's degrees and 47% of science and engineering workers who have PhDs.

It's always surprised me how the US has no apparent problem allowing 1-2M illegals in each year with little education or contribution to the skilled, high-demand parts of the economy but it substantially resists skilled laborers coming in, who have to jump through tons of hoops and spend a lot of time and money and worry getting in legally (been there, done that, it sucks balls).

This article cites problems beyond the US' control, like language barriers, but visa issues are a prime concern. We almost left some years back and the lack of an easy-to-obtain-without-major-hassle green card would surely have been at the top of the list.

This is a dishonest article.

For one it compares 12% immigrant figure with 52% of technology startups, yet it fails to mention that those technology startups are a relatively small subset of entire US economy. A proper way to compare would be to compare the ratio of Silicon Valley startups by H1B's/Immigrants/US citizens to the national makeup of H1B's/Immigrants/US citizens.

Second it gives several examples of companies started by immigrants. I will not verify all of them, but take Sergey Brin and Google for example. Sergey Brinn immigrated to US when he was 6. That is vastly different from H1B workers that most people oppose. Again it's dishonest to imply that H1B's are the ones starting up tech companies. Same with Yahoo and Jerry Yang who immigrated to US when he was 10 years old. H1B's do not start any tech companies.


I'm not against immigration. If there is a skilled person who can truly contribute to US as a whole, let him in and give him green card or citizenship. However, don't bring him in on H1B visa and hold him hostage to the company that sponsored his H1B visa while devaluing US worker labor.

 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
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Despite the fact that they constitute only 12% of the U.S. population, immigrants have started 52% of Silicon Valley's technology companies and contributed to more than 25% of our global patents. They make up 24% of the U.S. science and engineering workforce holding bachelor's degrees and 47% of science and engineering workers who have PhDs.

It's always surprised me how the US has no apparent problem allowing 1-2M illegals in each year with little education or contribution to the skilled, high-demand parts of the economy but it substantially resists skilled laborers coming in, who have to jump through tons of hoops and spend a lot of time and money and worry getting in legally (been there, done that, it sucks balls).

This article cites problems beyond the US' control, like language barriers, but visa issues are a prime concern. We almost left some years back and the lack of an easy-to-obtain-without-major-hassle green card would surely have been at the top of the list.

And for a very good reason.

Here is a statement made to congress in 2006 by the author Vivek Wadhwa:

Are we really comparing Apples to Apples?
There is a major difference in quality of education between the US, India and China. Our study did not analyze this, but all available data indicates that the vast majority of Indian and Chinese graduates are not close to the standards of US graduates. As India and China increase their graduation rates, it appears that educational quality may actually be decreasing. The Chinese graduation numbers seem particularly suspect as it appears that their educational focus is quantity vs. quality.

EDIT: Hopefully, we are making it easier for Canada graduates to get in, as they do have very high standards, in regards to education.

 

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I would take as many skilled immigrants as want to come in to the US and ensure our immigration laws allow for that. But for anyone, skilled or otherwise who come in illegally, no bennies for anyone including children and kick them out when found.

 

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Are we really comparing Apples to Apples?
There is a major difference in quality of education between the US, India and China. Our study did not analyze this, but all available data indicates that the vast majority of Indian and Chinese graduates are not close to the standards of US graduates. As India and China increase their graduation rates, it appears that educational quality may actually be decreasing. The Chinese graduation numbers seem particularly suspect as it appears that their educational focus is quantity vs. quality.

EDIT: Hopefully, we are making it easier for Canada graduates to get in, as they do have very high standards, in regards to education.

That would be meaningful for medschool, for example, but they credential them. My wife is teaching a nurse now who's becoming an LPN (a notch below RN), but was a physician in some eastern bloc country, but cannot become one here for some reason. For other jobs, they seem to be certainly doing better at least than illegals completely off the grid.

 

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The affluence of Indian-Americans, and more

Among the nation?s 38.1 million foreign-born citizens, the 1.5 million Indian-Americans are the most affluent and educated, a new U.S. Census Bureau report found. The median household income for Indian-Americans is $91,195, compared with $46,881 for the foreign-born population overall and $51,249 for the native-born.

 

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Funny how no one wants to talk about this??

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: dphantom
I would take as many skilled immigrants as want to come in to the US and ensure our immigration laws allow for that. But for anyone, skilled or otherwise who come in illegally, no bennies for anyone including children and kick them out when found.

Yep, my friend who is in US Airforce does independent software business, his financial situation is bad. He hires a programmer from India who has been helping him for free for over 4 years, because US Citizens either lack skill or not willing to help him overcome his financial trouble.

 

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Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Funny how no one wants to talk about this??

Damn immigints taking the jerbs of the god loving darkie-fearing REAL AMERICAN

DURKiDURR!

Chinese and Indian graduation rates are rising, CLEARLY their educational standards arent as good as America's. How are they going to develop nuclear reactors when they dont have white-blood and bred music and philosophy of the bible degrees?! It's time to form a union of some sort, something where these darkies cant get in. It's not racism, it's Allwhite!

The kids of illegals should be deported back to their country, first generation degenerates have a higher median income, these bitches are mass breeding kids that CLEARLY are taking money away from us.

This is what happens when you get a democratic negro in the house, the world falls apart.

Insert ProfJ giving Bush JR a BJ and i think we've summed up a good quarter of P&N