Did you know that conservatives will rationalize and accept socialism if it's popular

[Moonbeam]

An amazing property of the conservative brain is that a socialist idea that achieve widespread public popularity can be contorted by rationalization to be a conservative idea, even when the rationalization is preposterous.

I suspect this may even happen with Obamacare which is already profoundly conservative.

Anyway, this offers hope for socialist ideas in American society according to one report that I read.

Personally, I am not very enamored of the notion that hope lies in the preposterous nature of conservative capacity for rationalization.

However, I doubt conservatives are even aware that they do this which makes them helpless defending against it.

 

[Greenman]

I'd bet it's primarily label confusion.
I'm a conservative, but a lot of my beliefs fall well into the realm of socialism. Generally people are labeled, or label themselves, based on a few key issues. The real world is never as neat as we'd like it to be.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'd bet it's primarily label confusion.
I'm a conservative, but a lot of my beliefs fall well into the realm of socialism. Generally people are labeled, or label themselves, based on a few key issues. The real world is never as neat as we'd like it to be.

Personally, I don't see you as profoundly ideological in your thinking, but more honestly committed to things you actually believe. Even to admit to beliefs in socialism separate you from the conservative type I envision as having a need to rationalize as described above.

 

[Matt1970]

Blah blah blah, conservative brain, blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah. Science says blah blah blah, conservative brain blah blah blah, conservative brain, blah blah blah, conservative brain.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Blah blah blah, conservative brain, blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah. Science says blah blah blah, conservative brain blah blah blah, conservative brain, blah blah blah, conservative brain.

Personally I am just amazed that you knew how to spell -- Blah Blah Blah..lolol

 

[michal1980]

trollin trollin trollin

 

[senseamp]

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Ah....there is nothing like one-sided generalizations to vindicate your ideological political purchases.

E.g. This thread.

 

[MongGrel]

People just do tend to try to pigeonhole things a bit too much more or less.

It's the extremists that really stick out.

 

[Moonbeam]

A perfect example. Keep your filthy government hands off my Medicare.

 

[Moonbeam]

People just do tend to try to pigeonhole things a bit too much more or less.

It's the extremists that really stick out.

An extreme position is one that equates factual data with stereotyping because of a lack of critical thinking. It is itself pigeonholing.

 

[Matt1970]

Personally I am just amazed that you knew how to spell -- Blah Blah Blah..lolol

You still angry over the whole $2500 Obama promise?

 

[Newell Steamer]

Socialism for corporations - NOT people.



Did you screw up the economy with bogus/crappy investments? Here, take as much tax dollars as you need to continue operating (i.e. giving bonuses to executives).

Does your corporation disagree with how their employees live their lives? The government will be there to defend the corporation (fuck the employees,..) to fire their asses.

Does your corporation have leadership that disagrees with socialism? That's great! Because the government can give said corporation subsidies, and allow the leadership to lobby for laws that will cut all/most social programs,.. for the people of course,.. not the corporation.

 

[soulcougher73]

Blah blah blah, conservative brain, blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah. Science says blah blah blah, conservative brain blah blah blah, conservative brain, blah blah blah, conservative brain.

This unit is defective. Time to shut it down.

 

[hal2kilo]

God if that's for real, it's priceless.

 

[Phokus]

If you ask conservatives whether they support the ACA or Obamacare, they'll always say they support the ACA

 

[Moonbeam]

God if that's for real, it's priceless.

It's real. The Tea Party, composed as it is of mostly older disgruntled Americans distinguishes between Social security, Medicaid, and Veteran's benefits and benefits for 'freeloaders' on the basis that they and not these others have earned them.. In short, some people, them, deserve government aid, and some people, the other, does not.

I first ran across this phenomena while engaged in a project to cure myself of my own brain defects via a study of the incomparable wisdom of Mulla Nasrudin.

It seems that he was once caught stealing from the communal grain supply room, emptying other people's grain into his own bin, a behavior which he excused on the basis that he could not tell other people's grain from his own. When asked why it was that he had never been seen emptying his own grain into the bins of others, he said the answer was easy. He could easily tell his grain from theirs.

 

[Texashiker]

An amazing property of the conservative brain is that a socialist idea that achieve widespread public popularity can be contorted by rationalization to be a conservative idea, even when the rationalization is preposterous.

As a far right wing conservative republican I fully embrace socialism.

Capitalism and communism are both failures.

The only real solution is socialism.

 

[Jhhnn]

Of course, Moonbeam. Most conservatives will embrace the socialism of SS when they get old, otherwise the best meal of the week would be a little cat food with their ramen. They'll embrace the socialism of Medicare when they'd die w/o their prescriptions or the surgery they couldn't otherwise afford. They'll embrace UI the minute they get laid off, and they'll embrace low & stable food prices afforded by farm subsidies, too, not to mention socialized progressive income tax rates & deductions. They embrace the socialism of the FDA every time they go to the grocery across socialist roads. They embrace socialist water systems and sewers every time they flush the toilet out there in Suburbia. They embrace the socialism of financial regulation every time they sign a financial document, call the cops, the paramedics or the fire dept. They embrace socialism a lot more than that, truth be told.

They just hate socialism when it helps people worse off than they are, that's all.

 

[Olikan]

The only real solution is socialism.

IMHO, no.... it`s just a slow walk to the abyss

 

[schmuckley]

Lol..That's pretty good!

 

[realibrad]

As a far right wing conservative republican I fully embrace socialism.

Capitalism and communism are both failures.

The only real solution is socialism.

Jesus what?

Show me a countries that for the past 20 years that are socialist and are not failing.

Then show me capitalist countries for that same time span that is failing. You will realize the first group is a whole log bigger.

 

[Texashiker]

Jesus what?

Show me a countries that for the past 20 years that are socialist and are not failing.

Then show me capitalist countries for that same time span that is failing. You will realize the first group is a whole log bigger.

Define "failing".

The economy of the United States is failing. The only thing propping up the banks is the federal reserve printing $85 billion a month out of thin air.

Capitalism spurs innovation only when there is a profit to be made. That profit usually impacts a select few people or a small group of people.

Socialism spurs innovation to benefit everyone.

You do realize Germany had a highway system decades before the United States did, right?

In the past 100 years what nation made the greatest leaps in technology? It would probably have to be 1930s Germany.

 

[realibrad]

Define "failing".

The economy of the United States is failing. The only thing propping up the banks is the federal reserve printing $85 billion a month out of thin air.

Capitalism spurs innovation only when there is a profit to be made. That profit usually impacts a select few people or a small group of people.

Socialism spurs innovation to benefit everyone.

You do realize Germany had a highway system decades before the United States did, right?

In the past 100 years what nation made the greatest leaps in technology? It would probably have to be 1930s Germany.

You did not answer my question though. Show me a successful predominantly socialist country that has been socialist for 20+ years.

No doubt that some great inventions came from Germany, but from 1900 on the US has them beat hands down, not even close. You do realize who had a railroads, electricity, internet, flight, ect first?