did US did the right thing by bombing Japan ?

[hergehen]

Hello,

if u just an US patriot, u can skip this post, thx.


I was just wondering what you think ... I mean, before that only scientists new the power of that bomb , most ppl even in military didn't know that ... so we can't really blame them .... but still ...
if they knew the power , would they do the right thing ? I mean japan @ pearl harbor bombed military targets and that's it , but US bombed civilians ...



thx

 

[Platypus]

Revenge is a tough pill to swallow, I do not agree with what the US did.

 

[AdamDuritz99]

i voted yes, but i don't agree with the killing of inocent civilians. It's a touchy situation, but end the end, we had to stand up and show some balls. eh, i dont' know, but my first thought was yes.

peace
sean

 

[LordThing]

Definately. The US understood that Japan could never surrender and still save face unless there was overwhelming destruction. By that show of power and the threats of more targets to follow, the US saved millions of lives on both sides that would have been lost by a ground war in Japan.

 

[Tominator]

Japan was slaughtering civilians for years before Pearl Harbor. Dropping the bomb was the quickest way to end the war with the least Allied casualities. Estimates were 1 million US Servicemen killed or wounded trying to invade the mainland.

 

[GagBag]

yep, one wasnt enough to convince them!

 

[wfbberzerker]

i agree. i think it was right to bomb civilians not for revenge, but it was the only way to defeat japan mentally. the japanese military was prepared to fight to the death, and dealing a crippling blow to the non-military part of japan was the only way to prevent the massive loss of life that would have ensued in the invasion, even considering the loss of life from the two atomic bombs.

 

[Ronstang]

Actually we should have erased Japan from the map for their stupid blind faith in their Emporer and their extreme barbarism but the bomb was an expedient way to bring them to their knees and we were not willing to sacrifice any more American lives on an already self-destroyed nation.

 

[jpsj82]

FDR promised unconditional surrendar of Japan. In my opinion this left Truman no choice. The country rose up behind FDR's words and Truman had to keep the country going in the same direction. If Turman just came out and said we will let Japan surrendar under these lists of conditions many people in this country would have lost their patriotism.
Dropping the bomb showed Americans we meant what we said, it also spent a messege to the world community.


(and yes I know what the conditions of the treaty with Japan ended up being).

 

[NetworkDad]

Absolutely, yes!

 

[wQuay]

No. Both cities were spared conventional bombing so that the power of "the bomb" could be clearly demonstrated. Furthermore, Japan's leaders were disputing terms of surrender among themselves even before the destruction of Hiroshima. Surrender would not have been absolute without the bomb, but it still would have taken place.

 

[etech]

Invasion of Japan

"Had "Olympic' come about, the Japanese population inflamed by a national slogan, "One Hundred Million will die for the Emperor and Nation," was prepared to engage and fight the American invaders to the death.

Twenty-eight million Japanese had become part of the "National Volunteer Combat Force" and had undergone training in the techniques of beach defense and guerilla warfare. These civilians were with ancient rifles, lunge mines, satchel charges, Molotov cocktails and one-shot black powder mortars. Still others were armed with swords, long bows, axes and bamboo spears.

These special civilian unites were to be tactically employed in nighttime attacks , hit and run maneuvers, delaying actions and massive suicide charges at the weaker American positions. "

Revenge had nothing to do with it, ending the war quickly was the goal.

Revenge? freaking history revisonists.

 

[b0mbrman]

if u just an US patriot, u can skip this post, thx.

Should people who are just blatantly anti-US skip it too?

 

[GagBag]

i dont beleive that for a second, they would have surrended immedetly after the first bomb.

 

[AnthraX101]

I feel they did. The casulties (on both sides) would have been enormous otherwise. Japan has a high sense of country loyalty, they probably would have fought to the last man. It would have been civilian warfare as seen in the Vietnam conflict.

Armani

 

[mithrandir2001]

I must have been ill with the flu that week in history class - why did the Japanese hate the US so much that they were willing to fight us all to the death?

 

[Czar]

The first bomb is debatable but the second one is a absolutely no.

 

[geekybear]

i'm sure if some other country had a functional bomb first, the thread title would be "did the (insert first country to get the bomb) do the right thing by bombing (insert name of country bombed)?"

 

[jpsj82]

<< i voted yes, but i don't agree with the killing of inocent civilians. It's a touchy situation, but end the end, we had to stand up and show some balls. eh, i dont' know, but my first thought was yes.

peace
sean >>



I am not trying to justify killing innocent people, but Japan did do the same thing in Manchruia and throughout other parts of China. I wished I had some numbers about how many innocent Japanese we killed to compare it to the amount of innocent people they killed. My guess is that they killed many more then we did just because it went on for years in China.

 

[GagBag]

<< i'm sure if some other country had a functional bomb first, the thread title would be "did the (insert first country to get the bomb) do the right thing by bombing (insert name of country bombed)?" >>




thank you, Einstein

 

[Tates]

To fully understand why the US had to use the bomb, one needs to try to relate to that period in history. Japan had been an incredibly ruthless and agressive colonial power in the first half of the 20th century. WWII claimed in excess of 63 million lives. 100,000 lives to spare millions was a difficult but nessesary decision at the time. The whole thing was unfortunate. JMHO.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

<< I must have been ill with the flu that week in history class - why did the Japanese hate the US so much that they were willing to fight us all to the death? >>

it's not that they hated the US, it's that they dont lose. there is no giving up, it's not tolerated in the culture, you win or you die.

 

[Pennstate]

Total killed by the two Atomic Bombs: over 240,000

Total killed by Japanese Military during WWII: over 10,000,000


http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP3.HTM

 

[etech]

mithrandir2001

"why did the Japanese hate the US so much that they were willing to fight us all to the death? "

You are asking the wrong question. It was not that the Japanese hated us so much that they were willing to fight us to the death.

It is the way they were brought up at that time. Japan in the 30's was a very militaristic society. The Bushido code was taught to their children at a very early age.

BUSHIDO - THE WAY OF THE WARRIOR
LOYALTY
Loyalty can be expressed by self-sacrifice in battle, proper management of a han (daimyo's territory that the samurai manages), junshi (following in death suicide), revenge over the death of one's daimyo (lord) and total loyalty to family in spite of a dishonorable member.
·Absolute loyalty to the Emperor and one's daimyo, first and foremost above all other loyalties.
·Children absolutely loyal to their parents or pupil loyal to their teacher.
·Wife absolutely loyal to her husband.
·Junior officer loyal to a senior officer.
·Lastly, loyalty among peers and equals.

Note that is only a small part of the code and is incomplete. Surrender was not an option under that code.

 

[ToBeMe]

Hmmmm.....History again........

• By 1944 it was clear Japan was going to lose the war. Despite the losing war effort, the Japanese refused to surrender, even after most of their metropolitan areas were destroyed by bombing. However, on August 6, the United States dropped the first atomic weapon used in combat on Hiroshima. Two days after an ultimatuim was issued with the dropping of the first atomic weapon warning of another strike within 36 hours unless unconditional surrender was met, and after the USSR declared war on Japan and invaded Manchuria, North Korea, and other territories. A second bomb was dropped on Nagasaki on August 9, and Japan conceded unconditional surrender on August 14.