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Did the war in Iraq end?
- Thread starter amdhunter
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amdhunter
Lifer
That's bullshit then. What God forsaken reason does the US have to be there still?
Durkas are still acting crazy.
amdhunter
Lifer
Last time I looked, it was the Russians blowing shit up. :\
Locut0s
Lifer
Of course everyone who knew the region already knew that. But the bush admin didn't want to hear that so they didn't listen to them and instead made up their own "proof".
He didn't play by the rules. The other dictatorships (I'm sorry, Kingdoms) follow the rules, so they get to keep playing.
Engineer
Elite Member
Yea...he had all those hoards of WMD's that we found and destroyed the shit out of.....
Dominato3r
Diamond Member
I heard Obama ended the combat mission, so I guess the "fighting" part is over.
NikolaeVarius
Lifer
I think specifically that meant we don't go on explicit "we go in and kill the shit out of everything we see" missions anymore.
It's now just patrols and helping with nation building
Rumpltzer
Diamond Member
If we can do it in Iraq, we could probably do again somewhere else. Maybe a little closer to home next time... 😀
so genocide is not terrorism?
Nebor
Lifer
All patrols are conducted jointly with ISF and have been for more than a year. Operation Iraqi Freedom is over, we have transitioned fully to Operation New Dawn, an advise and assist mission.
But the Army has been buzzing over the past month in Iraq. Lots of violence against ISF, hundreds of deaths... All it takes is the ISF asking for coalition support, and there'll be another surge.
Nik
Lifer
Apparently you can't read the news and haven't been able to read the news for damn near 6 years. The Iraqis are being trained. We're training their police and military so they can defend themselves. Shia are still fucking crazy assholes killing people. They do silly things like threaten to kill entire families of those who join the police and military, which stifles recruitment.
Iraq is still pretty much dependent on the US Military.
NikolaeVarius
Lifer
No. Both are bad but they are different.. Terrorism is a non government entity specifically targeting civilians for the purposes of causing some sort of political or social change. (But of course, this is all debatable. People we call terrorists might also be called freedom fighters to others)
Genocide is a group of people ,government or non government, specifically targeting another group of people for the sole purpose of wiping them out or reducing their numbers enough to make them a non issue.
kage69
Lifer
"He didn't play by the rules. The other dictatorships (I'm sorry, Kingdoms) follow the rules, so they get to keep playing. "
I can't tell - is the absurdly general phrase above in reference to Saddam wanting the US dollar to have competition on the global oil market, or is it in reference to Saddam doing what he wanted when we didn't really give an answer after being asked if he could attack Kuwait?
Funny how the Cheney admin ran for office on not being the world's policeman in the arena of foreign policy, but once in office, went about acting like a belligerent, drunken cop with a brain injury and an itchy trigger finger.
I can't tell - is the absurdly general phrase above in reference to Saddam wanting the US dollar to have competition on the global oil market, or is it in reference to Saddam doing what he wanted when we didn't really give an answer after being asked if he could attack Kuwait?
Funny how the Cheney admin ran for office on not being the world's policeman in the arena of foreign policy, but once in office, went about acting like a belligerent, drunken cop with a brain injury and an itchy trigger finger.
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Nik
Lifer
Terrorism is the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=define:terrorism
Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=define:genocide&btnG=Search
NikolaeVarius
Lifer
Good job on using things that only benefit your point.
The source you used from Wiki, if you read on it also says
"No universally agreed, legally binding, criminal law definition of terrorism currently exists.[2][3] Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for a religious, political or ideological goal, deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians), and are committed by non-government agencies."
And the first definition from the google link also says
"the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear
As for the second point, it doesn't contradict what my point was.
Also from wikipedia
"Article 2 of this convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
and
"Because of the influence of Joseph Stalin,this definition of genocide under international law does not include political groups"
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Locut0s
Lifer
Well it doesn't mater either way anyway. The attempts to link Saddam to terrorism were just a way to win over the public for the invasion. They were looking for an excuse to invade Iraq almost as soon as they bush got into office.
zinfamous
No Lifer
yeah, well, that's just your opinion, man.
zinfamous
No Lifer
Terrorism is a strategy. It has no real racial or ethnic tones--it is directed against the enemy, whoever that enemy happens to be.
genocide is a directed, whole-scale attempt to purge a population based on racial, ethnic, religious, economic, or whatever reasons. It is not a military or war-like strategy. It is a targeted purging of a specific population. It is not necessarily done in defense, and certainly not as a last resort.
terrorism is fundamentally the response of a generally impoverished faction with little-to-no other resources.
genocide is a directed, whole-scale attempt to purge a population based on racial, ethnic, religious, economic, or whatever reasons. It is not a military or war-like strategy. It is a targeted purging of a specific population. It is not necessarily done in defense, and certainly not as a last resort.
terrorism is fundamentally the response of a generally impoverished faction with little-to-no other resources.
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