Did Rumsfield approve the abuses at Abu Ghraib?

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
if they can do that to ordinary iraqis without trial or anything they can do that to me and you on US soil
, just a thought.

Ask Jose Padilla.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It's about time people recognize their hypocrisy. On one hand they cry because of the mistreatment of prisoners, then they are all to glad to torture anyone caught doing the hideous acts like that done to Berg.


THIS IS NOT A DEFENSE OF THOSE WHO KILLED BERG - Emphasized for those who will try to make this something it is not.

Those who killed Berg deserve to be ground up alive and fed to the birds, but we are a nation that MUST be a model if others are ever going to emulate us in any meaningful way. People elsewhere look at what we do as well as what we say. What we must give to ALL people is justice. Now in that light it should be easy to see that JUSTICE is something WE need to mete out. It's not about them, it's about us, and if our high sounding words are more than just that. If people cannot understand how important this is, then they would be better off keeping quiet. At least they won't look like damned fools.

 

[smashp]

The Last Paragraph from the New Yorker Article....


?In an odd way,? Kenneth Roth, the executive director of Human Rights Watch, said, ?the sexual abuses at Abu Ghraib have become a diversion for the prisoner abuse and the violation of the Geneva Conventions that is authorized.? Since September 11th, Roth added, the military has systematically used third-degree techniques around the world on detainees. ?Some jags hate this and are horrified that the tolerance of mistreatment will come back and haunt us in the next war,? Roth told me. ?We?re giving the world a ready-made excuse to ignore the Geneva Conventions. Rumsfeld has lowered the bar.?


The next War we will be unable to cite the Geneva convention for protection of OUR troops.


Anyway, Ill take the Track record and Word of Seymour Hersh over Rumsfailed anyday

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Codec
Rumsfeld's all done -- caught lying to Congress doesn't go over very well unless you're on the idiot fringe of the party (Hannity, et al). Explains why Rums was more angry at the media and reservists using digital cameras than the actual events themselves. It is far past time for McCain, L. Graham, and the other sane members of the party to step up and set things straight for the future. Otherwise, the party will be disgraced in a way that hasn't happened since Watergate.

If lying to congress makes you done, Bush, Condolezza and Powell should be out too.

The party already lied to get into a war that has already costed more than 30000 lives, more than 10000 of those were civilians.

Maybe that should be the new slogan for Bush, "we can do what Saddam did, and we can do it faster".

 

[chess9]

I said this about Bush and I'll say it about Rumsfeld. Would you rather believe Rummy is stupid or venal? I'll take venal, thank you.

Of course, Rummy knew. Hell, I believe Bush put his personal stamp of approval on it.

These guys are just upset they were caught. Do you really think a neo-con gives SH** about human rights?

-Robert

 

[Genx87]

Wow nothing like using anon sources to add credibility to a story.

Ill await the names of the people who supposedly said this. Chances are we will never find out and it will become truth on the internet just like every other lie and half-truth.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
This War on Terror isn't like previous wars, in that the enemy combantants are not organized armies, and therefore have no rights. The Geneva Convention, rules of war, and general morals, do not apply. The enemy aren't even human by most standards. Therefore, there is no need for liberal military lawyers mucking up the warfighting process. Also, as Bush recieves his orders from God, there is little chance that he will be instructed to issue commands that result in immoral activity, anyway. We are protected by God's Army now, get used to it.

Zephyr

"liberal military lawyers"

LOL!

 

[conjur]

Hersh was just on the O'Reilly Factor. This news will be picked up by the major networks soon now.

Hersh said there are too many people who know the CIA backed out of the plan to treat the prisoners at Abu Ghraib the same as the ones in Afghanistan or Guantanamo.