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Did Rumsfeld Really Say This Today? Ayup...He Sure Did

Invading and occupying a Muslim nation on the Arab Peninsula does not recruit for al Qaeda, don't be ridiculous!
 
Originally posted by: Todd33
Invading and occupying a Muslim nation on the Arab Peninsula does not recruit for al Qaeda, don't be ridiculous!

sounds like a new ride at Disney World
 
Just the violence in the holy city of Najaf has probably engenedered enough ill-will to guarantee terrorist attacks against the US for the next decade, and I would not be surprised if 10 years were a gross underestimate.

And here I'm talking about people who would have otherwise not been prone to terrorism, but by the desecration of Najaf--Now that will trigger more violence. and since they are asymetrically weak compared to US military might. Voila--shake and stir--you got yourself some new terrorists.

Thanx Rummy.
 
Originally posted by: fjord
And here I'm talking about people who would have otherwise not been prone to terrorism, but by the desecration of Najaf--Now that will trigger more violence. and since they are asymetrically weak compared to US military might. Voila--shake and stir--you got yourself some new terrorists.

Thanx Rummy.

You forgot your teaspoon of Islam.
 
Come on, does anyone still take our def secretary seriously? Donnie is looking at everything through his fantasy bi-focally wrapped neo-con eyes & brain
 
Originally posted by: ciba
Originally posted by: fjord
And here I'm talking about people who would have otherwise not been prone to terrorism, but by the desecration of Najaf--Now that will trigger more violence. and since they are asymetrically weak compared to US military might. Voila--shake and stir--you got yourself some new terrorists.

Thanx Rummy.

You forgot your teaspoon of Islam.

Wow, this is the closest we can come to a right-wing criticism of this thread? Either you guys are slipping, or you have run away from a a bunch of pansy-assed liberals. You pick which it is.

Here's what your argument should have been:

The city as a whole was not considered 100% sacred, or else many dissenting voices in the Arb community would have risin up in criticism of the alleged "imam" who is exploiting the power vacuum in Iraq. Rather, it is the city who has the honor of hosting the most sacred mosque in Iraq, which is a significant difference. The restraint showed by the US forces in the last flare-up in this city proves the respect the official US policy holds towards the Islamic faith.

Thus, any rational evaluation of US "desecration" in Najaf will show that the US showed considerable restraint regarding the religious norms of Islamic society.

For those who beleive that "mohammedeans" do not listen to logic, I would ask you to remind yourselves who preserved Aristotelian norms when our own society was facing barbarism.
 
In order to be able to answer this question you would need to know what a terrorist is and how one is created. You would have to factor in such issues as to why persons seeming in the same environment pursue different life strategies. You would need to command a knowledge of many variables. Neither Rumsfelf nor anybody here posesses that knowledge, I would think.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
In order to be able to answer this question you would need to know what a terrorist is and how one is created. You would have to factor in such issues as to why persons seeming in the same environment pursue different life strategies. You would need to command a knowledge of many variables. Neither Rumsfelf nor anybody here posesses that knowledge, I would think.

Along that line of thinking, is it so far out of the bounds of logic to assume terrorism *has* been created?

How does one define terrorism? Is it enough to say the insurgents are engaging in terror attacks in addition to an organized resistance? I would hazard to say that, yes, the insurgents are engaging in both. And, considering the now-termed insurgents were *not* insurgents before but, rather, members of the former Saddam Fedayeen or other Baath party supporters that did not engage in car bomb attacks against, say, Western hotels, Iraqi police stations, Iraqi oil pipelines, etc. then it *would* be correct to say that terrorism has indeed been created.
 
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
No it isn't.

Yes it is.

how can it not? if Russia invaded Canada would it not piss off people in the US?

People in the US would not be blowing themsleves up and targeting civilians along with the military.

Iraq is simply an easy target for existing terrorist orgs.
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
No it isn't.

Yes it is.

how can it not? if Russia invaded Canada would it not piss off people in the US?

People in the US would not be blowing themsleves up and targeting civilians along with the military.

Iraq is simply an easy target for existing terrorist orgs.
Iraq has become a hotbed for terrorist recruiting. To deny that is to be either ignorant or blind.

 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
No it isn't.

Yes it is.

how can it not? if Russia invaded Canada would it not piss off people in the US?

People in the US would not be blowing themsleves up and targeting civilians along with the military.

Iraq is simply an easy target for existing terrorist orgs.
Iraq has become a hotbed for terrorist recruiting. To deny that is to be either ignorant or blind.

Nearly ALL the ME countries are "hotbeds for terrorist recruiting." Old news.

Running away from it wont do any better than running away from the schoolyard bully.
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
No it isn't.

Yes it is.

how can it not? if Russia invaded Canada would it not piss off people in the US?

People in the US would not be blowing themsleves up and targeting civilians along with the military.

Iraq is simply an easy target for existing terrorist orgs.
Iraq has become a hotbed for terrorist recruiting. To deny that is to be either ignorant or blind.

Nearly ALL the ME countries are "hotbeds for terrorist recruiting." Old news.

Running away from it wont do any better than running away from the schoolyard bully.
Being the Schoolyard Bully makes you an easy target too!
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
No it isn't.

Yes it is.

how can it not? if Russia invaded Canada would it not piss off people in the US?

People in the US would not be blowing themsleves up and targeting civilians along with the military.

Iraq is simply an easy target for existing terrorist orgs.

For some yes but not for all. Some would consider it a cultural invasion and start to think, are we next. Why would the Iraqi occupation not worry and infuriate people in neighboring countries?
 
Iraq is the best recruitment tool terror groups have ever had. Or, to be more sensationalist, "Osama thanks Bush, new Iraq a boon since he despised the secular rule of Saddam."

People in the US would not be blowing themsleves up and targeting civilians along with the military.

Different cultures breed different extremists.
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Nearly ALL the ME countries are "hotbeds for terrorist recruiting." Old news.

Running away from it wont do any better than running away from the schoolyard bully.
And the people who are now the insurgents engaging in terrorist activities? They weren't created by the invasion? They weren't engaging in terrorist activities *before* the invasion.
 
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