Did Obama target opposition donors in Chrysler dealer closings?

[XMan]

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot....-did-obama-target.html

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot....roup-gets-to-keep.html

http://www.reuters.com/article.../idUSN2632731920090526

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot....closings-did-team.html

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot....closings-did-team.html

http://hotair.com/archives/200...are-mostly-republican/

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot....an-loses-chrysler.html

http://thomasalamb.blogspot.co...argate-on-horizon.html

Lots of interesting info in there. Does smoke signify fire? I'm leaning toward yes based on the information available.

Can't really say I'm surprised. The only irony is that the profitable dealerships that were abandoned by Chrysler will probably still be profitable (albeit selling different models); and the ones that were picked up are probably not going to be any better under the direction of Uncle Sam.

Edit:

More.

http://directorblue.blogspot.c...cal-evidence-that.html

"The initial pass at the list of shuttered dealers showed they had donated, in the aggregate, millions to Republican candidates and PACs and a total of $200 to Barack Obama."

 

[Paddington]

Wouldn't surprise me. That's Chicago style politics.

 

[Fear No Evil]

More illegal activity from Obama and his cabal of torturing liar traitor criminal shishkabob brusslespouts!

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :| :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
More illegal activity from Obama and his cabal of torturing liar traitor criminal shishkabob brusslespouts!

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :disgust: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

You guys are retarded (yes a republican trait) and fail at statistics (yes, republicans hate knowledge)

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com...s-are-republicans.html

A meme that is currently picking up traction in the conservative blogosphere is that the list of dealerships to be shuttered as a result of Chrysler's bankruptcy contains a disproportionate number donors to Republican candidates. There have been furious efforts to prove this contention by looking up campaign contributor lists at the Huffington Post, Open Secrets, and other places.

There is just one problem with this theory. Nobody has bothered to look up data for the control group: the list of dealerships which aren't being closed. It turns out that all car dealers are, in fact, overwhelmingly more likely to donate to Republicans than to Democrats -- not just those who are having their doors closed.

Here, for instance, is what Huffington Post's Fundrace site turns up for those who list their occupation as "auto dealer":

Republican donations outstrip Democratic ones by about 8.6:1. Next, let's try "car dealer":

For some reason, those persons who describe themselves as "car dealers" are just slightly more likely to donate to Democrats than those who call themselves "auto dealers". Nevertheless, the list of contributions tilts Republican by better than a 3:1 margin.

Next up, "automobile dealer":

Roughly a 10:1 advantage for Republicans. Finally, we'll look at the slightly more obscure formation of "automotive dealer":

Big Republican edge here too.

Combining the data:



Overall, 88 percent of the contributions from car dealers went to Republican candidates and just 12 percent to Democratic candidates. By comparison, the list of dealers on Doug Ross's list (which I haven't vetted, but I assume is fine) gave 92 percent of their money to Republicans -- not really a significant difference.

There's no conspiracy here, folks -- just some bad math.

It shouldn't be any surprise, by the way, that car dealers tend to vote -- and donate -- Republican. They are usually male, they are usually older (you don't own an auto dealership in your 20s), and they have obvious reasons to be pro-business, pro-tax cut, anti-green energy and anti-labor. Car dealerships need quite a bit of space and will tend to be located in suburban or rural areas. I can't think of too many other occupations that are more natural fits for the Republican Party. Unfortunately, while we are still a nation of drivers, we are not a nation of dealers.

 

[Phokus]

Hey guys, i put 100 red marbles into a hat while i put 10 blue marbles in it.

I pick out 10 marbles.

HEY WAIT A MINUTE, WHY ARE THEY ALL RED?~!?!?!?!?!?! ITS AN OBAMA CONSPIRACY TO DESTROY REPUBLICANS!!!!!oneoneoen

Republicans.txt

 

[JohnnyGage]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
More illegal activity from Obama and his cabal of torturing liar traitor criminal shishkabob brusslespouts!

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :| :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

700 shishkabobs to date

🙁

 

[XMan]

Phokus, how do you respond to the fact that the dealerships owned by the large group of Obama donors all remained open, and all of their neighboring competition was shut down?

For that matter, why the hell are they shutting down dealerships that turn a profit?

And furthermore, if Chrysler doesn't want to shut down dealerships, what business is it of the government to tell them to do so?

Deflect all you want, there's a lot of questions that need to be answered about this. Your marble analogy only works if the dealerships were randomly selected. The very fact that all six of RCJ's dealerships survived and none of their competitors did eliminates that possibility. The chances of that happening at random is extrememly small.

 

[JohnnyGage]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
More illegal activity from Obama and his cabal of torturing liar traitor criminal shishkabob brusslespouts!

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :disgust: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

You guys are retarded (yes a republican trait) and fail at statistics (yes, republicans hate knowledge)

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com...s-are-republicans.html

A meme that is currently picking up traction in the conservative blogosphere is that the list of dealerships to be shuttered as a result of Chrysler's bankruptcy contains a disproportionate number donors to Republican candidates. There have been furious efforts to prove this contention by looking up campaign contributor lists at the Huffington Post, Open Secrets, and other places.

There is just one problem with this theory. Nobody has bothered to look up data for the control group: the list of dealerships which aren't being closed. It turns out that all car dealers are, in fact, overwhelmingly more likely to donate to Republicans than to Democrats -- not just those who are having their doors closed.

Here, for instance, is what Huffington Post's Fundrace site turns up for those who list their occupation as "auto dealer":

Republican donations outstrip Democratic ones by about 8.6:1. Next, let's try "car dealer":

For some reason, those persons who describe themselves as "car dealers" are just slightly more likely to donate to Democrats than those who call themselves "auto dealers". Nevertheless, the list of contributions tilts Republican by better than a 3:1 margin.

Next up, "automobile dealer":

Roughly a 10:1 advantage for Republicans. Finally, we'll look at the slightly more obscure formation of "automotive dealer":

Big Republican edge here too.

Combining the data:



Overall, 88 percent of the contributions from car dealers went to Republican candidates and just 12 percent to Democratic candidates. By comparison, the list of dealers on Doug Ross's list (which I haven't vetted, but I assume is fine) gave 92 percent of their money to Republicans -- not really a significant difference.

There's no conspiracy here, folks -- just some bad math.

It shouldn't be any surprise, by the way, that car dealers tend to vote -- and donate -- Republican. They are usually male, they are usually older (you don't own an auto dealership in your 20s), and they have obvious reasons to be pro-business, pro-tax cut, anti-green energy and anti-labor. Car dealerships need quite a bit of space and will tend to be located in suburban or rural areas. I can't think of too many other occupations that are more natural fits for the Republican Party. Unfortunately, while we are still a nation of drivers, we are not a nation of dealers.

For once I agree with Phokus. This is tin foil had stuff. But something tells me if the shoe was on the other foot...Hmmm

 

[smashp]

all i can say is the Ones that were shut down in my regional area had horrific customer service....

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: XMan
Phokus, how do you respond to the fact that the dealerships owned by the large group of Obama donors all remained open, and all of their neighboring competition was shut down?

For that matter, why the hell are they shutting down dealerships that turn a profit?

And furthermore, if Chrysler doesn't want to shut down dealerships, what business is it of the government to tell them to do so?

Deflect all you want, there's a lot of questions that need to be answered about this. Your marble analogy only works if the dealerships were randomly selected. The very fact that all six of RCJ's dealerships survived and none of their competitors did eliminates that possibility. The chances of that happening at random is extrememly small.

What do you mean by 'large group of Obama donors all remained open'?

Did they go through the whole list and determined which ones are Obama donors and which ones are Republican donors? They cherry picked a few dealerships.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Hey guys, i put 100 red marbles into a hat while i put 10 blue marbles in it.

I pick out 10 marbles.

HEY WAIT A MINUTE, WHY ARE THEY ALL RED?~!?!?!?!?!?! ITS AN OBAMA CONSPIRACY TO DESTROY REPUBLICANS!!!!!oneoneoen

Republicans.txt

HAHAHAHA :laugh: :thumbsup:

Four months after Obama takes office, the right-wing meltdown continues.

Add "Republican car dealerships" to the list of things Obama will take from the American people, wedged right between your guns and your first-born.

 

[Phokus]

I just had a revelation. Auto dealers are scum bags. Auto dealers are mostly republican supporters. It all makes sense now.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: JohnnyGage

For once I agree with Phokus. This is tin foil had stuff. But something tells me if the shoe was on the other foot...Hmmm

If the shoe was on the other foot, we wouldn't engage in this drivel because WE DON'T SHUN ACADEMIA. This is exactly like you idiots saying the earth is 6000 years old while science says otherwise.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: XMan
Phokus, how do you respond to the fact that the dealerships owned by the large group of Obama donors all remained open, and all of their neighboring competition was shut down?

For that matter, why the hell are they shutting down dealerships that turn a profit?

And furthermore, if Chrysler doesn't want to shut down dealerships, what business is it of the government to tell them to do so?

Deflect all you want, there's a lot of questions that need to be answered about this. Your marble analogy only works if the dealerships were randomly selected. The very fact that all six of RCJ's dealerships survived and none of their competitors did eliminates that possibility. The chances of that happening at random is extrememly small.

What do you mean by 'large group of Obama donors all remained open'?

Did they go through the whole list and determined which ones are Obama donors and which ones are Republican donors? They cherry picked a few dealerships.

"The Mysterious Case of RLJ
In Smith's research, one company kept popping up on the list of dealerships remaining open. The company is RLJ-McLarty-Landers, which owns six Chrysler dealerships. All six dealerships are on "the safe list."

RLJ's owners "are Steve Landers (long-time car dealer, 4th-generation dealer), Thomas "Mack" McLarty (former Chief of Staff for President Clinton), and Robert Johnson (founder of Black Entertainment Television and co-owner of the NBA's Charlotte Bobcats)... McLarty campaigned for Obama in 2008, and Johnson has given countless amounts of money to Democrats over the years."

Smith examined RLJ's markets, which I've illustrated below."

They've got maps of the relevant dealerships.

http://directorblue.blogspot.c...cal-evidence-that.html

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: XMan

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: XMan
Phokus, how do you respond to the fact that the dealerships owned by the large group of Obama donors all remained open, and all of their neighboring competition was shut down?

For that matter, why the hell are they shutting down dealerships that turn a profit?

And furthermore, if Chrysler doesn't want to shut down dealerships, what business is it of the government to tell them to do so?

Deflect all you want, there's a lot of questions that need to be answered about this. Your marble analogy only works if the dealerships were randomly selected. The very fact that all six of RCJ's dealerships survived and none of their competitors did eliminates that possibility. The chances of that happening at random is extrememly small.

What do you mean by 'large group of Obama donors all remained open'?

Did they go through the whole list and determined which ones are Obama donors and which ones are Republican donors? They cherry picked a few dealerships.

"The Mysterious Case of RLJ
In Smith's research, one company kept popping up on the list of dealerships remaining open. The company is RLJ-McLarty-Landers, which owns six Chrysler dealerships. All six dealerships are on "the safe list."

RLJ's owners "are Steve Landers (long-time car dealer, 4th-generation dealer), Thomas "Mack" McLarty (former Chief of Staff for President Clinton), and Robert Johnson (founder of Black Entertainment Television and co-owner of the NBA's Charlotte Bobcats)... McLarty campaigned for Obama in 2008, and Johnson has given countless amounts of money to Democrats over the years."

Smith examined RLJ's markets, which I've illustrated below."

They've got maps of the relevant dealerships.

http://directorblue.blogspot.c...cal-evidence-that.html

Yes, i read that, but again, it's cherry picking, i'll repeat:

"Did they go through the whole list and determined which ones are Obama donors and which ones are Republican donors?"

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: XMan

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: XMan
Phokus, how do you respond to the fact that the dealerships owned by the large group of Obama donors all remained open, and all of their neighboring competition was shut down?

For that matter, why the hell are they shutting down dealerships that turn a profit?

And furthermore, if Chrysler doesn't want to shut down dealerships, what business is it of the government to tell them to do so?

Deflect all you want, there's a lot of questions that need to be answered about this. Your marble analogy only works if the dealerships were randomly selected. The very fact that all six of RCJ's dealerships survived and none of their competitors did eliminates that possibility. The chances of that happening at random is extrememly small.

What do you mean by 'large group of Obama donors all remained open'?

Did they go through the whole list and determined which ones are Obama donors and which ones are Republican donors? They cherry picked a few dealerships.

"The Mysterious Case of RLJ
In Smith's research, one company kept popping up on the list of dealerships remaining open. The company is RLJ-McLarty-Landers, which owns six Chrysler dealerships. All six dealerships are on "the safe list."

RLJ's owners "are Steve Landers (long-time car dealer, 4th-generation dealer), Thomas "Mack" McLarty (former Chief of Staff for President Clinton), and Robert Johnson (founder of Black Entertainment Television and co-owner of the NBA's Charlotte Bobcats)... McLarty campaigned for Obama in 2008, and Johnson has given countless amounts of money to Democrats over the years."

Smith examined RLJ's markets, which I've illustrated below."

They've got maps of the relevant dealerships.

http://directorblue.blogspot.c...cal-evidence-that.html

Yes, i read that, but again, it's cherry picking, i'll repeat:

"Did they go through the whole list and determined which ones are Obama donors and which ones are Republican donors?"

Also:

In January, 2008, Johnson became the target of criticism for remarks he made to supporters of Hillary Clinton about Barack Obama. Johnson taunted Obama about his self-confessed past marijuana use. The Clinton campaign denied this, submitting that the comments were referring to Obama's work as a community organizer.[6] In subsequent days, Johnson was roundly criticized for his comments as hypocritical given the prodigious glorification of drug use and sale by artists prominently featured on BET[7].

On January 17, 2008, Johnson sent Obama the following apology: "I'm writing to apologize to you and your family personally for the un-called-for comments I made at a recent Clinton event. In my zeal to support Senator Clinton, I made some very inappropriate remarks for which I am truly sorry. I hope that you will accept this apology. Good luck on the campaign trail."[8]

On April 14, 2008, Johnson made comments to the effect that Obama would not be the Democratic Party's leading candidate if he were not black, in support of the prior statement made by Geraldine Ferraro. He also went on to say "I make a joke about Obama doing drugs (and it's) `Oh my God, a black man tearing down another black man.'" [9]

Sounds like an Obama man :roll:

 

[Phokus]

Anyway, i'm done with this topic for tonight. At most i could maybe see some democratic owned dealerships trying to lobby through their connections against closing, as long as they have those connections, and that's already a big if. Saying they researched which ones voted republican and intentionally closed them based on cherry picked data when it appears the vast majority of owners of car dealerships vote republican is a huge leap.

 

[Red Dawn]

You have to excuse Xman and Fear Evil, they are so use to the way Republicans do business they assume Democrats do it the same way.

 

[sandorski]

Soon the Camps will open and once the Re-Education is done, none of these Dealers will even remember all this. So why get all upset about it?

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Soon the Camps will open and once the Re-Education is done, none of these Dealers will even remember all this. So why get all upset about it?

The Halliburton camps with Blackwater educators.. Yes..soon..soon..
Black copters....EEEeeeeeee..eeeeeeee...soon...soon...:roll:

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: XMan
Phokus, how do you respond to the fact that the dealerships owned by the large group of Obama donors all remained open, and all of their neighboring competition was shut down?

For that matter, why the hell are they shutting down dealerships that turn a profit?

And furthermore, if Chrysler doesn't want to shut down dealerships, what business is it of the government to tell them to do so?

Deflect all you want, there's a lot of questions that need to be answered about this. Your marble analogy only works if the dealerships were randomly selected. The very fact that all six of RCJ's dealerships survived and none of their competitors did eliminates that possibility. The chances of that happening at random is extrememly small.

Jeeeezze! Doya' really think they were picked at random or was there some other considerstions? Sales, service, future profitability?

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
You have to excuse Xman and Fear Evil, they are so use to the way Republicans do business they assume Democrats do it the same way.

Oh they don't do it the same way. Dems do it like Blago from IL, Republicans don't. Just like Republicans pay their taxes, and Obama democrats don't.

 

[JohnnyGage]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: JohnnyGage

For once I agree with Phokus. This is tin foil had stuff. But something tells me if the shoe was on the other foot...Hmmm

If the shoe was on the other foot, we wouldn't engage in this drivel because WE DON'T SHUN ACADEMIA. This is exactly like you idiots saying the earth is 6000 years old while science says otherwise.

HUH?😕 Do you smell your own farts too?

 

[Viper GTS]

Phokus is a raging troll and has the honor of being the one and only person I've ever blocked on AT, but in this case I have to agree with him.

Let's face it - D&R are not distributed evenly across the US (geographically), and they are not represented equally in the business world. Additionally the population is not evenly distributed geographically. Way too many variables in this, and to think that there is some conspiracy driving it all is simply absurd.

Viper GTS

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Phokus is a raging troll and has the honor of being the one and only person I've ever blocked on AT, but in this case I have to agree with him.

Let's face it - D&R are not distributed evenly across the US (geographically), and they are not represented equally in the business world. Additionally the population is not evenly distributed geographically. Way too many variables in this, and to think that there is some conspiracy driving it all is simply absurd.

Viper GTS

It doesn't matter to the right. Their propaganda is to always find some way they're abused by some enemy group, to create a sense of outraged unity.

Obama called Sara Palin a pig! Obama hangs around with terrorists! There's a war on Christmas by the liberals! Clinton murdered Vince Foster! They want to take all your guns!

There's an endless list, and now, 'Obama targetted Republican car dealers'. Doesn't matter to these people that it's a lie, it feeds their ideology.