Did JUDAS Go To Hell ?

[jerryjg]

 

[DainBramaged]

:music: You got another think coming....*metal guitars playing heavy chords*:music:

 

[AreaCode707]

I think that's really between Judas and God, none of my business. Can't say Judas never heard the gospel, and from there the choices were his to make. Same as anybody else.

<---Christian

 

[KLin]

Didn't he hang himself?

 

[slick230]

Originally posted by: KLin
Didn't he hang himself?

Thereby committing an even greater sin thatn betraying Jesus, and condemning himself.

 

[mdchesne]

(btw, i'm athesitic, but i love biblical debates. go figure)
Judas betrayed Jesus, who he knew to be the son of God. In fact Judas (if i remember correctly) was an early disciple of jesus. He betrayed jesus to the romans for money but also roman pressure. Afterwards, judas hanged himself for his deceit and self loathing. end of history lesson, now the debate: no. according to christian beliefs, as long as you repent, you are saved (i always find that belief funny). Judas repented his defilment, thus, he was saved. So even if you kill the son of god and get paid to do it... but say sorry later and truely mean it, you still get to go to your magical realm called heaven.

 

[KLin]

Matthew 27:3-8 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.

Yup he did.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: slick230

Originally posted by: KLin
Didn't he hang himself?

Thereby committing an even greater sin thatn betraying Jesus, and condemning himself.

Where in the new testament does it say that he automatically goes to hell if he kills himself, anyway?

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Note that that line does not end with, "unless he kills himself".

 

[slick230]

Originally posted by: mdchesne
(btw, i'm athesitic, but i love biblical debates. go figure)
Judas betrayed Jesus, who he knew to be the son of God. In fact Judas (if i remember correctly) was an early disciple of jesus. He betrayed jesus to the romans for money but also roman pressure. Afterwards, judas hanged himself for his deceit and self loathing. end of history lesson, now the debate: no. according to christian beliefs, as long as you repent, you are saved (i always find that belief funny). Judas repented his defilment, thus, he was saved. So even if you kill the son of god and get paid to do it... but say sorry later and truely mean it, you still get to go to your magical realm called heaven.

But after he repented, he still hung himself, which is sin and damnable.

 

[mdchesne]

the repentance was the hanging. you cannot condemn the world and say you're sorry. you must truely show your repentance by offering your life. not dissimiliar to an eye for an eye, but this was the christian way of showing it

 

[notfred]

Did Judas kill himself before or after Jesus died? I don't remember.

If he killed himself while Jesus was still alive, then the Chrisian religion didn't yet exist and you have to judge him by the laws of Judaism.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: notfred
Did Judas kill himself before or after Jesus died? I don't remember.

If he killed himself while Jesus was still alive, then the Chrisian religion didn't yet exist and you have to judge him by the laws of Judaism.

After, due to extreme guilt of betrayal.

 

[mdchesne]

Originally posted by: notfred
Did Judas kill himself before or after Jesus died? I don't remember.

If he killed himself while Jesus was still alive, then the Chrisian religion didn't yet exist and you have to judge him by the laws of Judaism.

christianity started once the teachings of jesus were heard. His way was the way of judism, but he did not suffer the rites and rituals common to judism.
same with buddism and hinduism. all about the ceremonies and junk

 

[slick230]

Wikipedia entry on religious views on suicide

In Matthew 27:3, the suicide of Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Jesus, seems to be condoned, as a sign of his repentance or at least the recognition of his guilt.

So, I stand corrected. Judas hanging himself was his act of repentance.

 

[chrisms]

From what I learned, if you were around when Jesus was alive you're basically a shoe-in for heaven. He forgave everyone, even if they didn't believe in him. With that in mind I would guess that Judas didn't go to hell.

 

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
:music: You got another think coming....*metal guitars playing heavy chords*:music:

lol, mixing sexuality subtly within religious thread, +3 for style.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: mdchesne

Originally posted by: notfred
Did Judas kill himself before or after Jesus died? I don't remember.

If he killed himself while Jesus was still alive, then the Chrisian religion didn't yet exist and you have to judge him by the laws of Judaism.

christianity started once the teachings of jesus were heard. His way was the way of judism, but he did not suffer the rites and rituals common to judism.
same with buddism and hinduism. all about the ceremonies and junk

If that is true, then the popular doctrine of "Jesus died for my sins so that I may have eternal life" is false, and the entire christian religion is a farce.

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: slick230
Wikipedia entry on religious views on suicide

In Matthew 27:3, the suicide of Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Jesus, seems to be condoned, as a sign of his repentance or at least the recognition of his guilt.

So, I stand corrected. Judas hanging himself was his act of repentance.

I see his suicide as escaping the guilt and humiliation of betraying Jesus. But that's just my opinion.

 

[chrisms]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: mdchesne

Originally posted by: notfred
Did Judas kill himself before or after Jesus died? I don't remember.

If he killed himself while Jesus was still alive, then the Chrisian religion didn't yet exist and you have to judge him by the laws of Judaism.

christianity started once the teachings of jesus were heard. His way was the way of judism, but he did not suffer the rites and rituals common to judism.
same with buddism and hinduism. all about the ceremonies and junk

If that is true, then the popular doctrine of "Jesus died for my sins so that I may have eternal life" is false, and the entire christian religion is a farce.

That made no sense

 

[mdchesne]

Originally posted by: chrisms
From what I learned, if you were around when Jesus was alive you're basically a shoe-in for heaven. He forgave everyone, even if they didn't believe in him. With that in mind I would guess that Judas didn't go to hell.

well, actually, you're still a shoe in. if the ways of the pure form of christian beliefs were still taught, you were allowed in no matter what unless you were a firm non believer and denied the faith (looks like i'm screwed, lol). it's all these branches of christianity that screw us up. protestant, catholic, mormom (is mormon chrisitianity? i dunno), etc

 

[chrisms]

Originally posted by: mdchesne

Originally posted by: chrisms
From what I learned, if you were around when Jesus was alive you're basically a shoe-in for heaven. He forgave everyone, even if they didn't believe in him. With that in mind I would guess that Judas didn't go to hell.

well, actually, you're still a shoe in. if the ways of the pure form of christian beliefs were still taught, you were allowed in no matter what unless you were a firm non believer and denied the faith (looks like i'm screwed, lol). it's all these branches of christianity that screw us up. protestant, catholic, mormom (is mormon chrisitianity? i dunno), etc

I'll admit I haven't read the bible in a while, but I seem to remember Jesus saying some actions will result in the sinner "burning." Of course the New Testement was written long after Jesus' time, so it can't really be relied on too heavily for accurate information on what Jesus really taught.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
:music: You got another think coming....*metal guitars playing heavy chords*:music:

lol, mixing sexuality subtly within religious thread, +3 for style.

haha...thanks d00d...somebody appreciate it. 😀

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: mdchesne

Originally posted by: notfred
Did Judas kill himself before or after Jesus died? I don't remember.

If he killed himself while Jesus was still alive, then the Chrisian religion didn't yet exist and you have to judge him by the laws of Judaism.

christianity started once the teachings of jesus were heard. His way was the way of judism, but he did not suffer the rites and rituals common to judism.
same with buddism and hinduism. all about the ceremonies and junk

If that is true, then the popular doctrine of "Jesus died for my sins so that I may have eternal life" is false, and the entire christian religion is a farce.

That made no sense

Whether or not you beleive it, the vast majority of protestant churches in the US teach that you can go to heaven due to the fact that Jesus died for your sins. They basically say that this is the fundamental principle of the religion.

If you're telling me that you can go to heaven even though Jesus didn't die for your sins, then that makes what the church is saying pretty much a sham, doesn't it?

 

[mdchesne]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: mdchesne

Originally posted by: notfred
Did Judas kill himself before or after Jesus died? I don't remember.

If he killed himself while Jesus was still alive, then the Chrisian religion didn't yet exist and you have to judge him by the laws of Judaism.

christianity started once the teachings of jesus were heard. His way was the way of judism, but he did not suffer the rites and rituals common to judism.
same with buddism and hinduism. all about the ceremonies and junk

If that is true, then the popular doctrine of "Jesus died for my sins so that I may have eternal life" is false, and the entire christian religion is a farce.

i like to compare the following though i KNOW i'll be getting TONS of remarks afterwards, but here goes:

christians today are like hippies of the 70s

one group says: "oh jesus died for my sins, * blah blah blah*, and god is good"
where judism says the same thing, just not so... errr... hippyish like and minus the jesus and more on the repentance
the other group says: "you can't own property, man!"
where in fact you can.

it's all based on what people say in recent eras. not the origional. Did you knwo the bible was rewritten some 20 times, cross-language and censured?! that's like that old telephone game where one person says a phrase and people whisper it to another person until it gets back to the origional. KNow how mixed up that gets? Now take a book, written in aramaic 200 years AFTER DEATH, translate it into w/e language 20 times over, censur it during the renaisance, rewrite it in spanish and then to french and finally into old english. censur it again, then pass it along a series of popes, cardinals and local priests before it reaches your ears.... still that same?

 

[mdchesne]

in fact, the bible is just a compilation of stories. it's not even a real book. It's like Chicken Soup for the * Soul book series. There are entire sections blotted out and lost to time by the views of a certain person or age