Did intel deliberately gimp overclocking on SB?

[tigersty1e]

How exactly would a $50 duallie get 'overclocked' to match the fewquency and # of cores (6) of a $999 CPU?

Locking-down sub $150 CPUs is all about not cannibalizing the mid-range offerings. Gamers would snatch-up $50 duallies that could hit 5ghz+ with HT. They would be off the chart for bang/buck in many applications.

Intel segregated their offerings to create more unique SKUs (which makes good business sense). AMDs issue is that they create SKUs all from $100-200 that essentially have the same ceiling when OCd. Why buy the $200 part when the $100 is just as good? You just end-up competing with yourself.

a 5.0 core i3 dual core would compete very well against a 3.5-3.8 990x chip on a broad range of benches.

and we both said the same thing, just I didn't state the obvious because it was obvious. intel doesn't want people to be able to overclock cheap $50 processors because why? they want to take away our fun? No. Because most enthusiasts would spring for the cheaper processors.

Who bought the Q6600 and who bought the Q6700?

 

[CaptainAx]

Or downloading hacked motherboard drivers. But I don't have this problem, I bought a solid processor with no unlocking. Also, that's not how you write your signature, go to the user profile 🙂

If it's a motherboard driver, that's not going to help Linux users or other OSs. They would have to sell it as a firmware flash. Flashing with a bitbanged hack could brick your CPU so that's the new risk. Licensing updates has been around for years, it was a matter of time until Intel figured out how to do it.

When I get to 25 posts I can put a signature in. For now, this will have to do.

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[Idontcare]

When I get to 25 posts I can put a signature in. For now, this will have to do.

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I think there is a minimum wait period as well, something like 2 weeks, you have to meet both criterion before you get to have an automatic sig. And welcome to the forums!

 

[Puppies04]

Intel does not cover OVERCLOCKING.

At what point did I infer that they did? We all know what happens. Idiot nails CPU, calls intel claims they didn't overclock. At that point intel either have to prove they did or replace the part, either scenario costs them money so why not make sure that the only parts that can be overclocked are the ones that can take a little stick and not just some run of the mill I5 2400.

 

[Belegost]

On the issue of firmware upgrades for processors - you bought a product in particular state with particular specifications, why do you feel the manufacturer needs to give you an easy method for improving the specifications for free?

To me this is like buying the base model car and complaining that if you want the sports suspension you have to buy new struts, why didn't the car manufacturer make all the models with adjustable struts?

Ultimately though, this situation has risen because there is no competition. AMDs offerings are too far behind to push intel, so it is easy for them to segment the market and make higher margins. The overclocking enthusiast gets the choice, either pay up for the unlocked K series with Intel and get top performance, or go cheap AMD and get mid-level performance.

And Intel doesn't see a loss in dropping the cheap overclocking market, they divest themselves of a group that doesn't pay good margins, uses more warranty service, and is overall a very small market.

 

[soccerballtux]

How exactly would a $50 duallie get 'overclocked' to match the fewquency and # of cores (6) of a $999 CPU?

Locking-down sub $150 CPUs is all about not cannibalizing the mid-range offerings. Gamers would snatch-up $50 duallies that could hit 5ghz+ with HT. They would be off the chart for bang/buck in many applications.

Intel segregated their offerings to create more unique SKUs (which makes good business sense). AMDs issue is that they create SKUs all from $100-200 that essentially have the same ceiling when OCd. Why buy the $200 part when the $100 is just as good? You just end-up competing with yourself.

fewquency lol I like it

 

[ehume]

fewquency lol I like it

It's the converse of frequency, y'know.

 

[Rifter]

On the issue of firmware upgrades for processors - you bought a product in particular state with particular specifications, why do you feel the manufacturer needs to give you an easy method for improving the specifications for free?

100% this. The above poster claiming he wants 100% access is nuts. When you buy a car do you expect the dealership to install a turbo for free so you can get better performance? If you want extra performance you have to pay for it, its simple. If you dont like being locked out you have option you can buy a unlocked processor or unlocked platform, its not like there isnt other options.

 

[Belegost]

100% this. The above poster claiming he wants 100% access is nuts. When you buy a car do you expect the dealership to install a turbo for free so you can get better performance? If you want extra performance you have to pay for it, its simple. If you dont like being locked out you have option you can buy a unlocked processor or unlocked platform, its not like there isnt other options.

And the truth is, the poster does have complete control of his hardware. If he is able to reverse engineer the mechanism by which Intel makes these upgrades available, he is more than welcome to. I would hardly be surprised if in fact there are engineers at the major motherboard companies looking into the feasibility of overriding the multiplier locks in a clean way, much the same as the core unlocking AMD boards.

What pisses me off is the whiny attitude that Intel has some obligation to make it easy to overclock for all products. First overclock I did required soldering skills...

 

[PlasmaBomb]

I really have no idea how this relates to the discussion 😕.

I presume he has received infractions for piracy or advocating such?

 

[PlasmaBomb]

If it's a motherboard driver, that's not going to help Linux users or other OSs. They would have to sell it as a firmware flash. Flashing with a bitbanged hack could brick your CPU so that's the new risk. Licensing updates has been around for years, it was a matter of time until Intel figured out how to do it.

When I get to 25 posts I can put a signature in. For now, this will have to do.

Pat.
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You would be better waiting for an authorised sig rather than trying to circumvent the rules...

 

[Idontcare]

I presume he has received infractions for piracy or advocating such?

I have no idea, I don't know him from the man on the moon.

 

[Spikesoldier]

the core2duo series is the last of the best overclocking gave us.

taking a 50 dollar processor up to 3.5 ghz (beyond the $300 chips) was the most fun any of us had.

not really the nehalem lynnfield and clarkdale are the true last breeds of great OCers.

 

[Rifter]

I have no idea, I don't know him from the man on the moon.

There is a man on the moon? who knew lol 🙂

 

[lamedude]

Wasn't it a cost reducing feature? It allowed them to save a cent or two since they need less clock gens or something like that. When selling millions its adds up to a descent amount of $.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Feeling a little bit entitled, aren't we? It sounds like someone thinks the world owes them something.

It seems pretty straight forward to me. Intel isn't in business to give stuff away for free, and creating more market segments to fill their products with is a money making strategy which happens to be a disadvantage for less than 2% of their customers. Most people don't even know the difference...

 

[Smoblikat]

not really the nehalem lynnfield and clarkdale are the true last breeds of great OCers.

Correct me if im wrong........but werent all of those BCLK and not FSB? So really the C2D was the last of the best.

 

[ehume]

Correct me if im wrong........but werent all of those BCLK and not FSB? So really the C2D was the last of the best.

Step by step we move away from classic overclocking.