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Did i waste 4 years going to college?

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You gotta nail those interviews. Like some one else said, if they're calling you in for interviews then your resume or lack of experience can't be that terrible. It may be hurting you and need some buffing out, but the fact that they let you in the building means you had a chance. Yes, some places have moron hiring departments that waste their and your time or describe the job completely wrong, but you can't do anything about that.

I don't know if this will work for you, but I was in the same kind of interview slump when I was trying to break out of my mediocre first job after college.

I'm not the quickest at giving good answers to questions in an interview. So what I do is I study my resume and the company before I go in. You have to have some knowledge about their company and what they do, it makes you look interested and indicates that you are taking this seriously. If you study your resume and the job description, you can see any short comings that they will ask you about coming, and try to prepare a good response. Look at the job description, and find situations that you have worked in before that apply to the bullet points. Prepare a short antecdote from your past experience for at least the most important ones. They don't have to be perfect fits, just have to be something. Write this shit on index cards and go over them. You don't have to memorize them, just remember the basic concept you're trying to get across. The goal is to have a good answer that makes you look like a good fit for the position ready before the question is asked. This greatly reduces my mumbling and "I don't knows"....those are brutal so avoid them! Right before the interview, run through them real quick so the answers are ready to go.

There are tons of other stupid details that of course should be done, thats all in those normal interview guides. Brush your teeth, dress right, take a shower, that stuff. I try to mention all the people I met with during the interview in the thank you note and if I can, a common topic we discussed. It looks a little "trying to hard" but I think it helps cement your impression or at least get them to remember you. I figure if you do good on the interview, you want everyone to at least remember your face instead of confusing you with some other slub that sucked it up big time.

During the "showing you around" part that always occurs, ask questions and if they haven't already been used...deploy your antecdotes whenever they seem to apply, but try to work it into the more casual part of the conversation during this phase. You can look at the campus closely after you're hired, for now...NEVER STOP SELLING!

The hardest part is adapting to the interviewers style, on the fly...you never really know what kind of person they are until you show up. If they're talkative you can come of as rude and a blabber mouth when you're trying to sell yourself. And its easy to do if you're nervous, its kind of a balancing act. I have more of a reactive passive style naturally, which I had kind of been working to overcome but still works ok with most interviews. I blew one interview though because the guy just sat me at a table (after making me take a test) and kind of expected me to do all the talking. Live and learn!
 
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
Originally posted by: bobross419
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
no seriously, what's an "IT degree".
there's CS and MIS. we didn't have an IT track. is this a new thing or something specific to certain schools?

Information Technology - Desktop, Network setup/support oriented degree. CS = Computer Science - programming and engineering. MIS - no clue.


http://valenciacc.edu/aadegree...ormationtechnology.pdf - IT
http://valenciacc.edu/aadegree...jorComputerscience.pdf - CS
http://valenciacc.edu/aadegree...informationsystems.pdf - MIS

Yes there is a programming path in Information Technology, but the above description is the hard and fast of it.

management information system. basically for like business analysts.

an IT degree sounds like one of those "degrees" you get from the chubb institute or "technical" schools.
any accredited universities actually have an IT degree program?

Well, no one who goes to a real engineering school studies IT or that crap. Honestly, it's one of those skills you can always pick up in a CC, and if you're spending 4 years to get through that, you better be coming out with a EE degree.

The way it actually is supposed to work is the degree is more or less proof you can operate at a high enough level and dedicate yourself to an end route.

Engineering gets a bit specialized.

Outside of this about 90% of any IS/IT/CS type information is learned on the job through experience.

 
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: finite automaton

I didn't know scheme was powerful enough to be used in the real world :Q

It's popular with some Loan Origination software and can run on the internet as well...

Cool. I made that comment because I had two functional programming classes last year, one that was based on Scheme and another that was based on Haskell. Never would have imagined that the language was used outside of an academic environment.
 
Did you go to a school with a good CS program?

If you went to a school with a top-10 CS program, you will get gobbled up by Msft or Amazon like a kid at a candy store. BTW, I live in the Seattle area.
 
One tip to help you...

If you happen to get stuck on a particularly tough question during the interview, don't be afraid to ask them, "Is it o.k. if I think about that and come back to it in a minute?". It shows that you like to take your time and think things through, instead of just sitting there looking nervous and saying, "Uh... I don't know."

Most of the time, if you nail the rest of the interview they won't even bother coming back to the question that stumped you. Just don't make a habit of doing it on every question though. 😉
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: rudeguy
The job market is awesome right now. I don't know what you are talking about.


Keep your head up and keep looking. Something will come along.

QFT...

You have to be blowing it on the interviews.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or you just haven't been watching any news for the past 3 months.

What, because the economy is bad? There are still plenty of jobs out there. I had many job offers right out of college (in the philly area, not the west coast) a year ago, and a year later got a new job significantly better. There are plenty of jobs on the market - if he's getting interviews, obviously those companies have jobs available, so either A) the op is doing very poorly in interviews or B) the op is not as "above average" as he thinks. Not to be a dick, but it's true.

Uh yes. Read what you write in bold and what I quoted up there..sure there are jobs up there but only the most out of touch person, mentally senile person would say that the "job market is awesome".
 
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