Did i say i love the new edgy?

[drag]

Originally posted by: IamDavid

Originally posted by: drag

Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX

Originally posted by: f1sh3r
i cant get my wife to like Ubuntu... well, any linux. she wants photoshop. and theres not a linux port... grumble grumble adobe grumble.

There's no linux port, but there are other programs too. What about Xara Xtreme?

Xara Xtreme is vector-based image creation tool. It's not equivelent to Photoshop, which is raster image editing tool.

Depending what she does Gimp or Krita will be closest. When GEGL gets finished and integrated into Gimp it should be quickly be on par with Photoshop technology-wise. (Gegl development has picked up considurably as of late)

Otherwise the other options are a propriatory application called 'Pixel', getting Photoshop running in Linux using wine, or running photoshop on Windows in a VM.

Photoshop CS:2 won't wok in wine.

http://blog.publicidadpixelada.com/2006...dobe-photoshop-cs2-on-ubuntu-10-steps/

Those people have got it working. Won't garrentee that it'll work for you though.

But seriously, The Gimp is fine. Most people just have to play around and arrange things how they like them before they get confortable with it.

 

[stars]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
I like Ubuntu, but I installed the KDE/ kubuntu desktop out of curiosity, and after some experimentation I have concluded that at this point the KDE deskop is vastly superior to the Gnome desktop. Vital options have been eliminated from Gnome in the name of simplicity.

All of the different enviroments is one of the strengths I think. One can install and adjust it to fit their individual needs.

 

[f1sh3r]

Originally posted by: drag

http://blog.publicidadpixelada.com/2006...dobe-photoshop-cs2-on-ubuntu-10-steps/

Those people have got it working. Won't garrentee that it'll work for you though.

But seriously, The Gimp is fine. Most people just have to play around and arrange things how they like them before they get confortable with it.

i tried that. screwed up my windows install somehow. changed my permissions on photoshop. i took the opportunity to reformat and install vista then. that ended up taking a couple days... rc2/nvidia wouldnt support my resolution, rc1 took three different downloads and burns before i wouldnt get an error on install. bah. now its working.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: EvanB

Originally posted by: aidanjm
I like Ubuntu, but I installed the KDE/ kubuntu desktop out of curiosity, and after some experimentation I have concluded that at this point the KDE deskop is vastly superior to the Gnome desktop. Vital options have been eliminated from Gnome in the name of simplicity.

Such as? I ask because I'm fairly clueless about linux and KDE. I'm liking gnome though. Ive yet to try KDE and am kinda curious what Im missing.

one nice thing about KDE is you can get it to remember window settings for various applications. in gnome, every time I open kaffeine to watch television (in a tiny window on the desktop) I had to set the tv window to stay on top of all other windows, and to appear on all desktops. with KDE, it remembers those settings. sounds like a small thing - but if you are opening up a TV window several times a day, it becomes really irritating to keep having to re-tell it top stay on top of other windows, etc.

when changing the size of windows, KDE allows you to maximise vertically, or maximise horizontally - which I find useful with widescreen monitors when you don't really want a window to cover the entire screen so the normal maximise button isn't very useful. Basically KDE allows you to add extra buttons to the title bar, allowing to to keep windows on top or get windows to always stay below other windows, roll up windows into the title bar, maximise/ minimise horizontally or vertically (or both),

another cool little thing is when windows are behind each other, you can jump back and forth between different windows by pressing the middle mouse buttons or left mouse buttons over the title bar.

there are lots of other little tricks in KDE that just seem to make life easier, but which I can't remember offhand.

I also just prefer the icons and colors on KDE. it looks more professional somehow. plus if you turn on compositing, KDE will give you things like translucent windows and translucent menus, and other Vista-like effects.

Instructions on adding the KDE desktop to ubuntu. (Ubuntu uses Gnome desktop by default):
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205002

instructions on turning on composite graphics with KDE:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75527

 

[aidanjm]

I do have vmware running Windows XP on my ubuntu installation. I've also got a few of my favorite windows programs such as emule running quite well with Wine. But I am keeping a windows box, for those applications that I just can't get on linux. so far, it seems quicker and easier just keeping an extra box with windows, than running a windows virtual machine under linux.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: stars

Originally posted by: aidanjm
I like Ubuntu, but I installed the KDE/ kubuntu desktop out of curiosity, and after some experimentation I have concluded that at this point the KDE deskop is vastly superior to the Gnome desktop. Vital options have been eliminated from Gnome in the name of simplicity.

All of the different enviroments is one of the strengths I think. One can install and adjust it to fit their individual needs.

so true. the freedom is amazing compared to windows. so many options to explore.

 

[phisrow]

KDE is also great because of its support for kioslaves.

http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/kioslave/index.html

http://linuxappfinder.com/blog/konqueror_your_desktop_with_kioslaves

 

[EvanB]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

...

Interesting, thanks. I think Ill stick KDE ubuntu on another partition on my laptop and give it a spin. Cheers.

 

[Nothinman]

one nice thing about KDE is you can get it to remember window settings for various applications. in gnome, every time I open kaffeine to watch television (in a tiny window on the desktop) I had to set the tv window to stay on top of all other windows, and to appear on all desktops. with KDE, it remembers those settings. sounds like a small thing - but if you are opening up a TV window several times a day, it becomes really irritating to keep having to re-tell it top stay on top of other windows, etc.

Yea, I can't believe they haven't put window memory into metacity yet, it's one of the main reaons that I use E16.

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: Brazen
eh, my broadcom still doesn't work, even after following the instructions. ggrrrr *shakes fist at broadcom*

What chipset do you have? I've gotten the light on with bcm43xx-fwcutter, but I can't get the network-manager-gnome to detect it...damn...I think I'm gonna get a new card tomorrow and use that...

 

[stars]

I have the broadcom too and it failed to work. I grabbed a cheap D-Link DFE-530-TX+. They use the via-rhine incase youre using a distro that wants you to manually load the module. I'm currently testing both the latest ubuntu and slackware 11 to see which I'll use on my latest computer.

 

[RebateMonger]

Originally posted by: stars
I have the broadcom too and it failed to work.

My new Gigabyte MA-945-S3 motherboard has a Realtek RTL8111B Gigabit Ethernet controller. The Ubuntu 6.10 Server version couldn't find it at all. The Ubuntu 6.10 Desktop version found something, couldn't identify it, but still worked, amazingly enough.

 

[i game with a gateway]

Yeah, I like it to. I have gone from 5.10 to 6.06 and now to 6.10 and it has come a long way.

 

[Pepsi90919]

the communism is strong in this thread

 

[trmiv]

I was using Kubuntu edgy for awhile, but I decided to go back to XP. I just can't get used to it for an everyday use desktop OS. What kills it for me is the font rendering. I put my Windows fonts in, searched and tweaked the font rendering, but no matter what I did, I could not get used to the way Linux renders fonts. Maybe I'm just too used to Windows font rendering, and since I use Windows at work, and support windows at work, there is no way I could get used to the way Linux renders fonts since I can't just force myself to only look at Linux. I do like edgy though, setup was very easy, and I even got my Intel 2200 wireless working very easily. If someone can give me a way for linux to render fonts exactly like Windows, I'd switch.

 

[Nothinman]

I was using Kubuntu edgy for awhile, but I decided to go back to XP. I just can't get used to it for an everyday use desktop OS. What kills it for me is the font rendering. I put my Windows fonts in, searched and tweaked the font rendering, but no matter what I did, I could not get used to the way Linux renders fonts. Maybe I'm just too used to Windows font rendering, and since I use Windows at work, and support windows at work, there is no way I could get used to the way Linux renders fonts since I can't just force myself to only look at Linux.

I have the opposite problem, I can't stand the way XP renders it's fonts any more.

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: stars
I have the broadcom too and it failed to work. I grabbed a cheap D-Link DFE-530-TX+. They use the via-rhine incase youre using a distro that wants you to manually load the module. I'm currently testing both the latest ubuntu and slackware 11 to see which I'll use on my latest computer.

I got my broadcom to work. Some guy on ubuntuforums wrote a nice script that loads the drivers up automatically...works like a charm now...

 

[stars]

Originally posted by: thehstrybean

Originally posted by: stars
I have the broadcom too and it failed to work. I grabbed a cheap D-Link DFE-530-TX+. They use the via-rhine incase youre using a distro that wants you to manually load the module. I'm currently testing both the latest ubuntu and slackware 11 to see which I'll use on my latest computer.

I got my broadcom to work. Some guy on ubuntuforums wrote a nice script that loads the drivers up automatically...works like a charm now...

Ubuntu really has a great user base.

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: stars

Originally posted by: thehstrybean

Originally posted by: stars
I have the broadcom too and it failed to work. I grabbed a cheap D-Link DFE-530-TX+. They use the via-rhine incase youre using a distro that wants you to manually load the module. I'm currently testing both the latest ubuntu and slackware 11 to see which I'll use on my latest computer.

I got my broadcom to work. Some guy on ubuntuforums wrote a nice script that loads the drivers up automatically...works like a charm now...

Ubuntu really has a great user base.

I've noticed that most linux distros do, but by far, ubuntu has the best....

 

[stars]

For the most part all distros have a good following and user base. Though, a few areas have an elitist user base. For example, go to #debian on freenode and see how they treat some people asking for help. Sure, they make up for a small portion of debian users. Yet, it could reflect back in a negative manner to some. I've encountered the same involving other distros years ago. It can make things very frustrating for someone thats sincere about learning a new os and then be treated in a rude fashion. I've seen alot of mature users seek out help on irc only to be shunned and be suprised because they wasnt expecting irc to be such a rude medium. Still alot of channels on irc are still really helpful as a whole to new users. I think its good that most new users use forums instead since its a more controlled enviroment - leaving them with a better experience.

 

[drag]

That is one of the reasons that Ubuntu is good.

The classic problem with linux support is that:
A. you have a natural small number of dicks.
B. nicer people get realy realy tired of answering the same dozen questions over and over and over and over again. Each new user expects their help to 'be just this one time can you help me?' were to the other side it's just one of a dozen identical demands they had that day.
C. Then you have new users that think, weither right or wrong, that they are highly technical people and just need a little bit of help working around a paticular undocumented frunstration. These sorts usually end up saying something along the lines: "All of this is ****** because I can't understand it"

It makes for a very toxic situation. Eventually the dicks just take over.

But Ubuntu has been able to avoid that, which is a great great thing.

 

[stars]

I'm reinstalling Ubuntu right now - should be finished in a few minutes. I have a few days till the rest of the hardware arrives for this computer. Hopefully I can get the nvidia drivers working properly during this time. If not, I'll fall back on Slackware. I really want to give Ubuntu a chance as my main operating system.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: drag
...
But Ubuntu has been able to avoid that, which is a great great thing.

Which could partly be due to their great documentation, with explanatory n00bie guides at https://help.ubuntu.com/, the cut-and-dry howtos at http://www.ubuntuguide.com, their wiki at http://wiki.ubuntu.com, and forums at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. All with search functions that work **grumblegrumle*fusetalk*grumblegrumble**

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: Brazen

Originally posted by: drag
...
But Ubuntu has been able to avoid that, which is a great great thing.

Which could partly be due to their great documentation, with explanatory n00bie guides at <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://help.ubuntu.com/">https://help.ubuntu.com/</a>, the cut-and-dry howtos at http://www.ubuntuguide.com, their wiki at http://wiki.ubuntu.com, and forums at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. All with search functions that work **grumblegrumle*fusetalk*grumblegrumble**

Ubuntuforums literally has the answer to ANY problem. I was having problems connecting to my university network (WEP+PEAP), and I found another guy with the same problem. All I had to do was copy his script and edit it+add a bit for my needs, and it worked.

 

[Tbirdkid]

stars, how did the install go?