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Did I Just Waste Money On These Xeons?

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MoMeanMugs

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I busted the L2 chip off on one of my P3 Xeon 500's. The system would only detect 1 CPU after that. 🙁 I glued it back on, but it wouldn't work anymore. Does it need to be soldered? Anyways, I went out and bought two matched PIII Xeon 733's instead of trying to find another brother for the 500 that still worked (more money, less hassle 🙂). The board I have only has a 100 MHz FSB, so I set the multiplier via jumper to 5.5. That would make them 550 MHz a piece, only the system doesn't boot. Did I fsck up somewhere? Do the 133 FSB (Slot 2) Xeon's use a different voltage or what? I took a quick peek on Intel's site, but didn't see anything relevant. If anyone knows that this for sure will not work, anyone looking for some Xeons? 🙂
 
Glue is my best friend. 🙂 Anyone know where to get a reasonably priced dual Xeon board that supports 133 MHz? Also, think that 500 is still salvagable?
 
BTW, the board is a MSI-6135. I think I jumped the gun when I bought these stupid things. Now it's buy another board so I can get my server back up of live with 1 CPU and wasted money. Grrr, I do stupid sh!t when I feel like spendin' money.
 
Give me your address. 😛 It's reversible. I was just bored and didn't feel like driving 20 miles to someone's houst to break out with a soldering gun. You, sir, insult me with an E-machine? That deserves a ban! 🙂
 
PIII 500's were based on a differnt core than the 733's..........just like katmai/coppermine procs.

different voltage and id's so your mobo doesn't support them....
 


<< Give me your address. 😛 It's reversible. I was just bored and didn't feel like driving 20 miles to someone's houst to break out with a soldering gun. You, sir, insult me with an E-machine? That deserves a ban! 🙂 >>

lol...Emachines rawk!! hehe ...here's One
 
That thing looks like out laser printer at work. LMAO! Anyone know where I can get a Xeon 500 SL3D9 stepping or sell these 733's. Doesn't look like Xeons are a hot item at these forums.
 


<< I busted the L2 chip off on one of my P3 Xeon 500's. The system would only detect 1 CPU after that. 🙁 I glued it back on, but it wouldn't work anymore. Does it need to be soldered? Anyways, I went out and bought two matched PIII Xeon 733's instead of trying to find another brother for the 500 that still worked (more money, less hassle 🙂). The board I have only has a 100 MHz FSB, so I set the multiplier via jumper to 5.5. That would make them 550 MHz a piece, only the system doesn't boot. Did I fsck up somewhere? Do the 133 FSB (Slot 2) Xeon's use a different voltage or what? I took a quick peek on Intel's site, but didn't see anything relevant. If anyone knows that this for sure will not work, anyone looking for some Xeons? 🙂 >>



OMG! :Q Glued the cache back on!!! That's like using glue to put back the core, IMO Xeon is gone! The cache is soldered on the PCB (if on PCB board) and someone with a really small solder and great hands might be able to fix that.

Also, not sure on that, but are the Xeons mulitiplier locked?
 
You would have to be incredibly talented to Solder the cache on properly and get it to work, and glue definitely isnt going to work.
The traces to the cache have been broken, there isnt much you can do... it's dead.

The Dual PIII Xeon 733MHz did not work because the MSI 6135 motherboard does not support the Coppermine core used in the newer PIII Xeon 733MHz, it only supports the older and slower Katmai core.
You will have to obtain a PIII based on the older Katmai core in order run properly.
 
Yeah and since the board probably does not support the lower coppermine voltage you might have fried that cpu with overvoltage 🙁
 
The processor swap didn't work because a PIII 500Mhz/100Mhz Xeon
and a PIII 733Mhz/133Mhz Xeon are COMPLETELY different processors.
This is not a matter of Coppermine vs. non-coppermine. The 500/100
processor is a "real" Xeon with 512k, 1Mb or 2Mb of cache. It has
a very different design than a standard PIII processor, starting with
(but not limited to) the fact that the standard PIII has only 256Mb
of cache.

The PIII 733/133 "Xeon" IS a standard PIII, the only difference being
the fact it's in a slot 2 shell. Basically, any PIII / 133Mhz FSB
Xeon is a sham...nothing but a standard PIII but goes in an expensive
motherboard and (originally) costs a lot more than a standard PIII.

"Real" PIII Xeons go up to 700/100Mhz.

Kwad
 


<< I busted the L2 chip off on one of my P3 Xeon 500's. The system would only detect 1 CPU after that. I glued it back on, but it wouldn't work anymore >>



The stupidity of some people never ceases to amaze me .:Q
 


<< The processor swap didn't work because a PIII 500Mhz/100Mhz Xeon
and a PIII 733Mhz/133Mhz Xeon are COMPLETELY different processors.
This is not a matter of Coppermine vs. non-coppermine.
Kwad >>



It has everything to do with Coppermine vs. non-Coppermine. The amount of cache does not impact compatibility with his motherboard, and increased FSB would not impact compatibility with his motherboard.
The fact that the 'real' Xeon has more cache doesnt in any way at all ensure incompatibility.... it's the Coppermine core itself that does that.
FSB would have been as issue but he could dropped the 733 Xeon's FSB to 100MHz albeit at a lower clockspeed as it's multiplier locked at 5.5X.
It's the VCore voltage and pin-out differential between the Coppermine and Katmai cores that interupts compatibility.

BTW, one can hardly term them as "COMPLETELY different processors" as both are based around the same P6 core architecture. Outside differences of the cache design the Katmai and Coppermine cores are extremely similar.




<< The PIII 733/133 "Xeon" IS a standard PIII, the only difference being they are in a Slot2 shell.
Basically, any PIII / 133Mhz FSB
Xeon is a sham...nothing but a standard PIII but goes in an expensive
motherboard and (originally) costs a lot more than a standard PIII.
 >>



Quite similar yes, but there are differences beyond that of their packaging. The Xeon allows multiprocessing FAR beyond that of the regular PIII which is limited to two processors compared to the Xeon's 8 and clustering up to 32processors.
Also, the bus queue entries, and writeback buffers differ between the regular PIII and the Xeon even in identical cache sizes. AGTL+ bus voltages and operation differ, along with other small differences.
The differences are small but in the right environment they can make a definite difference.
NO Xeon is identical to the regular PIII even outside of the packaging differences.



<< "Real" PIII Xeons go up to 700/100Mhz. >>



If you define "real" as L2 cache sizes above 256KB then they go up to 900MHz.
 
Okay, I was a little tired when I wrote this thread. I didn't bust the L2 cache chip off, it was a bridge of some sort on the back of the silicon with L2 above it. I assume it was the L2 bridge.
 
Oh and Budman, kindly bite my left nipple. I am sure you are not perfect in any form or fashion, even though your right and left hand argue about who's next.
 
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