Did Hillary just have a seizure?

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Balt

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Actually it does, the audience for his speech was millions, while Hillary simply had to say nothing of value for 10 hours while sitting, which is a basic skill for a politician. She already knew she had deleted her emails, which is why they'd have to resort to a hearing rather than simply prosecuting her for her crimes. While its not nothing, its clear she's deteriorated since that time.

Are you implying Hillary can't handle being on TV in front of millions of people? What is your point? Even if you believe that, what do you expect to happen at the upcoming convention? Will she be a no-show?

It's amazing how you can believe she's both an evil mastermind and someone who can't deliver a convention speech.
 

Balt

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Difference is, he's never claimed to pay a lot in taxes.

OK so what's he hiding then? He's claimed that he's very generous and has given a lot of money to charities. Perhaps that's what won't show on up on his tax returns?

I'd say it's a combination of a lot of things. Such as:

1) Not being nearly as successful as a business man as he claims.
2) Not being nearly as generous as he claims (particularly to veterans).
3) Not paying more than your average middle income American in taxes as a percentage.
 

compuwiz1

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There was a time when paying big taxes on big money was considered to be a patriotic duty.

Oh well...

Trump didn't write the tax code, but as a business, I'm sure his accountants use every legal deduction to pay the least amount of taxes, as the law allows.

If you had a deduction that would save you $5k in taxes, would you take it, or would you go, nah, I'm gonna be patriotic and let the government have my five grand? Somehow, I think not!
 

ivwshane

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Trump didn't write the tax code, but as a business, I'm sure his accountants use every legal deduction to pay the least amount of taxes, as the law allows.

If you had a deduction that would save you $5k in taxes, would you take it, or would you go, nah, I'm gonna be patriotic and let the government have my five grand? Somehow, I think not!

He's already used that line, he's set it up to save face and yet he still won't release them, despite harping on others to release theirs. Why?
 

LegendKiller

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OK so what's he hiding then? He's claimed that he's very generous and has given a lot of money to charities. Perhaps that's what won't show on up on his tax returns?

I'd say it's a combination of a lot of things. Such as:

1) Not being nearly as successful as a business man as he claims.
2) Not being nearly as generous as he claims (particularly to veterans).
3) Not paying more than your average middle income American in taxes as a percentage.

What is she hiding? What is she hiding with the emails?
 

Meghan54

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First, about a seizure.....was Trump having a seizure during this speech?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA


Second, about Trump's taxes.....it's not about how little he paid, it's most likely something else, as posited by an article written back in May of this year. To quote salient points from the article:

...you cannot embarrass Trump by pointing to his likely next-to-zero tax rate. As a real estate developer, Trump undoubtedly uses every lawful financial tool available to bring his taxes as close as possible to zero. More power to him; that is the American way.

Foreign investments? Plainly, he will just blame those on the Democrats.

No, none of these areas is likely to bear any fruit. That’s because, to expose a wrong-hearted real estate developer as a tax cheat, it is often more important to focus not on what the developer reports on his returns, but on what he leaves off.

You see, the goal of tax cheats is usually not to save money for some corporation, but to avoid using their own shekels to pay for personal expenses. Why pay for their own homes, food, golf rounds, cars or flights—or the taxes thereon—when their companies can pick up the tab? But personal expenses charged to a company counts as compensation, and failing to report such perks as taxable income is illegal.

This kind of personal and professional line-blurringis a hallmark of the real estate tax cheat—those people who control whole construction firms, golf courses and hotel crews and who don’t get 1099s and W-2s for all the work they order and the perks they get. Perhaps the most famous example of this kind of fraud comes from New York real estate billionaireLeona Helmsley, who, in 1989 was convicted of having her real estate company pay for personal improvements, including a new dance floor, at her 21-room weekend home in Connecticut, without paying taxes on such benefits. (Helmsley, by the way, is famous for saying, “We don’t pay taxes. Only little guys pay taxes.”)

Regardless of whether Trump discloses his tax rate or produces all of his tax returns, Americans most certainly have the right to receive answers to and the proof regarding such basic questions concerning Trump’s financial integrity. And Trump has no excuse to fob off this request: Production of this information would be relatively simple and inexpensive.

Any scrutiny should focus first on Mar-A-Largo, Trump’s weekend and vacation oasis in Palm Beach, Florida, and former estate of Marjorie Merriweather Post. As the East Coast financial elite will attest, having a second home for leisure in Palm Beach is a pretty expensive luxury.

The relevant questions are few and should be quite easy for Trump to answer and to prove: Did Trump pay personally when he bought Mar-A-Largo in 1985? During the time that it was his personal vacation residence from 1985-1995, did his company deduct any of the acquisition costs, real estate taxes, insurance or utilities as a corporate expense? In other words, did he and his family alone live in this vacation home for 10 years while having the government and the rest of us pay for all or some as a business expense? Or, if a corporation bought Mar-A-Largo and provided it as a corporate perk, did Trump pay taxes on the benefit?

For the past 20 years since Mar-A-Largo has functioned as a club, how much has Trump personally paid for his “private quarters,” his “home away from home,” any improvements thereto, and for his staff, food and golf in Palm Beach? Once again, were these amenities provided as a corporate perk? If so, did Trump pay the millions of dollars that would be owed in taxes on this income?

Second, his primary residence at Trump Tower: Did Trump personally pay for his condo, and does he pay for the condo fees, utilities, improvements and expenses? If not—if the company pays—does he report that on his tax return?

Third, everyone pays for his or her own car or must pay taxes on the personal use of a company car. Tom Daschle, a good and honest man, withdrew himself from consideration as secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services when a friend and client claimed that he allowed Daschle part-time use of an extra car, and Daschle hadn’t paid taxes on such “benefit.” Has Trump, like the rest of us, paid for his personal travel?

And then, of course, there’s personal air travel, which we know Trump does often. Is Trump’s plane a personal or corporate jet? If personal, did he pay for the plane and for all of the expenses out of his own pocket? If corporate, has he reimbursed the owner for personal travel or paid the taxes on the perk? The plane records could be gathered in an hour.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-tax-returns-2016-213901
 

Jhhnn

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Trump didn't write the tax code, but as a business, I'm sure his accountants use every legal deduction to pay the least amount of taxes, as the law allows.

If you had a deduction that would save you $5k in taxes, would you take it, or would you go, nah, I'm gonna be patriotic and let the government have my five grand? Somehow, I think not!

Yeh, but Trump wants to re-write the tax code with the help of his Repub friends- with huge tax cuts for the financial elite, himself obviously among them-

http://franklycurious.com/wp/2015/09/28/trumps-huge-tax-cut-for-the-rich-of-course/

It would be pertinent to understand just how much he pays in light of what he wants to do.

I rather suspect that he pays more to lawyers & accountants to avoid taxes that he actually pays in taxes. It's the price of Power.

His devotees are obviously willing to overlook that, unlike most Americans-

http://www.gallup.com/poll/190775/americans-say-upper-income-pay-little-taxes.aspx

America is already great for rich people. It's not like they need for Donald to make it that way again unless they're shooting for another gilded age.
 

chucky2

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Didn't she have something allegedly happen to her when Louis Lerner was pleading the 5th?
 

Jhhnn

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Didn't she have something allegedly happen to her when Louis Lerner was pleading the 5th?

Back then, the right wing was playing it as avoiding answering questions about Benghazi. Now they're intimating that it left her disabled. Go figure.
 

compuwiz1

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Yeh, but Trump wants to re-write the tax code with the help of his Repub friends- with huge tax cuts for the financial elite, himself obviously among them-

http://franklycurious.com/wp/2015/09/28/trumps-huge-tax-cut-for-the-rich-of-course/

It would be pertinent to understand just how much he pays in light of what he wants to do.

I rather suspect that he pays more to lawyers & accountants to avoid taxes that he actually pays in taxes. It's the price of Power.

His devotees are obviously willing to overlook that, unlike most Americans-

http://www.gallup.com/poll/190775/americans-say-upper-income-pay-little-taxes.aspx

America is already great for rich people. It's not like they need for Donald to make it that way again unless they're shooting for another gilded age.

I already know what he does, same as some of my friends who are CEOs. They pay themselves small subsistence salaries, while having the corporation pay for everything else they do. The company pays for his plane flights, his daily uniforms (suits), meals, travel, etc. For him to make public a personal tax return that only pays him $100k per year, might make him look weak. :) ;)
 

chucky2

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Back then, the right wing was playing it as avoiding answering questions about Benghazi. Now they're intimating that it left her disabled. Go figure.

Well, Billary I'm sure was playing it the same way (as was Louis), so surprise surprise, Whore-Politicians were being Whore-Politician! Always thought the 'fell down the stairs' was too convenient. Great way to get out of having to answer anything, let the heat die down, attention wane, and get scheming ducks in a row, i.e. standard DC playbook with extra effort twist.
 

Jhhnn

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Well, Billary I'm sure was playing it the same way (as was Louis), so surprise surprise, Whore-Politicians were being Whore-Politician! Always thought the 'fell down the stairs' was too convenient. Great way to get out of having to answer anything, let the heat die down, attention wane, and get scheming ducks in a row, i.e. standard DC playbook with extra effort twist.

Benghazi was bullshit start to finish. That's obvious to anybody who isn't completely gullible.
 

compuwiz1

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Benghazi was bullshit start to finish. That's obvious to anybody who isn't completely gullible.

Americans are pissed, not because Benghazi happened, but the lies that were told by Obama and Hillary, afterward, for pure political expediency. Hillary Clinton has treated the families of those killed terribly. Do you deny that they lied to America and the families? So, while you may disagree with the investigations and the resources spent on them, the fact remains that the administration lied to America. That's why Hillary's support from the military and our veterans is so low.
 

Jhhnn

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I already know what he does, same as some of my friends who are CEOs. They pay themselves small subsistence salaries, while having the corporation pay for everything else they do. The company pays for his plane flights, his daily uniforms (suits), meals, travel, etc. For him to make public a personal tax return that only pays him $100k per year, might make him look weak. :) ;)

I figure whatever his taxes reveal it'd be that he's a weasel in ways that only the wealthy can be.
 

chucky2

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Benghazi was bullshit start to finish. That's obvious to anybody who isn't completely gullible.

Mmmmmmhmmmm...

I'm wondering, when Billary took her fall (if it in fact did happen), how did your neck fair? It must have been hard going down all those stairs with your head so far up her rear. Did you feel the bumps or were they sorta cushioned?
 

Aegeon

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Do you deny that they lied to America and the families?
The evidence is actually to the contrary when you look at the actual facts.

There was initial clear legitimate confusion on the causes of the attack, and there is in fact evidence suggesting the video DID in fact play a role in the attack.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/18/w...n-to-answer-questions-on-assault.html?hp&_r=2

(At a minimum a demonstration as a result effectively gave cover for the attackers and caused additional confusion.)

The family members who claim the Obama administration of Clinton lied to them have been basically directly contradicted by other family members who definitely have stated they heard no such claims when they communicated with the Obama administration officials about what happened.

It should be noted that in the case of the RNC speaker at the convention, her story about what specifically happened has also changed over time.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...y-of-the-2016-republican-national-convention/

To be blunt, the evidence is Republicans have repeatedly simply lied or grossly mislead on a variety of points on the Benghazi attack to make it into a scandal in a way that it should not be considered in reality. (Yes mistakes were made, but Republicans didn't seem to have the same degree of concern when things happened to state department employees under Republican Presidents for example.)
 
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Jhhnn

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Americans are pissed, not because Benghazi happened, but the lies that were told by Obama and Hillary, afterward, for pure political expediency. Hillary Clinton has treated the families of those killed terribly. Do you deny that they lied to America and the families? So, while you may disagree with the investigations and the resources spent on them, the fact remains that the administration lied to America. That's why Hillary's support from the military and our veterans is so low.

The fact remains that such allegations are just part of the bullshit. Political expediency would have been to beat on the Terrarist! Terrarist! Terrarist! drum for all it was worth.
 

Jhhnn

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The evidence is actually to the contrary when you look at the actual facts.

There was initial clear legitimate confusion on the causes of the attack, and the is in fact evidence suggesting the video DID in fact play a role in the attack.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/18/w...n-to-answer-questions-on-assault.html?hp&_r=2

(At a minimum a demonstration as a result effectively gave cover for the attackers and caused additional confusion.)

The family members who claim the Obama administration of Clinton lied to them have been basically directly contradicted by other family members who definitely have stated they heard no such claims when they communicated with the Obama administration officials about what happened.

It should be noted that in the case of the RNC speaker at the convention, her story about what specifically happened has also changed over time.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...y-of-the-2016-republican-national-convention/

To be blunt, the evidence is Republicans have repeatedly simply lied or grossly mislead on a variety of points on the Benghazi attack to make it into a scandal in a way that it should not be considered in reality. (Yes mistakes were made, but Republicans didn't seem to have the same degree of concern when things happened to state department employees under Republican Presidents for example.)

The factthat he'd spew that bullshit just means that he's impenetrable to facts.
 

Balt

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Americans are pissed, not because Benghazi happened, but the lies that were told by Obama and Hillary, afterward, for pure political expediency. Hillary Clinton has treated the families of those killed terribly. Do you deny that they lied to America and the families? So, while you may disagree with the investigations and the resources spent on them, the fact remains that the administration lied to America. That's why Hillary's support from the military and our veterans is so low.

Do you really think the majority of Americans care about Benghazi and buy all of the Republican/Fox News conspiracy theories about it?