Did anyone record "The Swan"?

Demon-Xanth

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A friend of mine was just channel surfing around while working on his computer and caught at a part of the swan where they were all on stage, the part I want to see was described as "They fired off some sparklers and the crowd screamed in fear." Did anyone happen to get it?
 

rh71

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try downloading it. It's 870MB otherwise I'd grab it and cut it for ya...

I did catch that part where the sparks came... it was pretty loud and unexpected... I can't stand that show though... too much silicone and makeup... but good for them for turning their life around.
 

Modeps

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who really watches that crap? the swan is quite possibly the worst idea for a show, ever... not only because of the subject matter, but because the social message that it's portraying to ugly girls.

"Ok, we'll give you a makeover... which includes tons of plastic surgery. then we'll pit you against another girl that had the same thing happen..." "Oops, you're still not pretty enough. SORRY"

What a great message!
 

rh71

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people watch all kinds of competitions - don't ask me why.
 

GasX

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Nothing like taking ugly needy people with no self-esteem and turning them into slightly overweight people with nice hair, a fake nose and low self esteem to make for quality entertainment...
 

Demon-Xanth

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What I'm thinking is entertaining is seeing an entire crowd so edgy that some fireworks at a show scares them all.
 

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Originally posted by: Modeps
who really watches that crap? the swan is quite possibly the worst idea for a show, ever... not only because of the subject matter, but because the social message that it's portraying to ugly girls.

"Ok, we'll give you a makeover... which includes tons of plastic surgery. then we'll pit you against another girl that had the same thing happen..." "Oops, you're still not pretty enough. SORRY"

What a great message!
The perfect explanation :beer:
 

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Originally posted by: Mwilding
Nothing like taking ugly needy people with no self-esteem and turning them into slightly overweight people with nice hair, a fake nose and low self esteem to make for quality entertainment...
Yeah they didn't turn themselves around. They just got plastic surgery. They're still ugly, pathetic people inside whom I can't imagine anybody could stand to be around. If not for the show they'd be in the same spot they were before. I ASSURE you that half of them at least will, a few years down the road while eating ice cream and sitting in XXL sweats, watch reruns of this and weep to themselves like the pitiful cry babies they are.
 

GasX

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Nothing like taking ugly needy people with no self-esteem and turning them into slightly overweight people with nice hair, a fake nose and low self esteem to make for quality entertainment...
Yeah they didn't turn themselves around. They just got plastic surgery. They're still ugly, pathetic people inside whom I can't imagine anybody could stand to be around. If not for the show they'd be in the same spot they were before. I ASSURE you that half of them at least will, a few years down the road while eating ice cream and sitting in XXL sweats, watch reruns of this and weep to themselves like the pitiful cry babies they are.
I watched a couple of episodes because my fiance loves to see people reinvented for the better. There were a couple of people who I felt were truly going to change their lives for the better. There were also a couple of inevitable crash and burns...
 

Looney

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They just got plastic surgery. They're still ugly, pathetic people inside whom I can't imagine anybody could stand to be around.

So because they're unattractive, they're ugly and pathetic on the inside, and you can't imagine anybody could stand to be around them?

I ASSURE you that half of them at least will, a few years down the road while eating ice cream and sitting in XXL sweats, watch reruns of this and weep to themselves like the pitiful cry babies they are.

And no, you're wrong. CNN as well as Dateline i believe followed up on people from Extreme Makeover, and most of them were doing quite well.

Boy you're just getting dumber and dumber as the years go by.
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Nothing like taking ugly needy people with no self-esteem and turning them into slightly overweight people with nice hair, a fake nose and low self esteem to make for quality entertainment...
Yeah they didn't turn themselves around. They just got plastic surgery. They're still ugly, pathetic people inside whom I can't imagine anybody could stand to be around. If not for the show they'd be in the same spot they were before. I ASSURE you that half of them at least will, a few years down the road while eating ice cream and sitting in XXL sweats, watch reruns of this and weep to themselves like the pitiful cry babies they are.
So judgmental... based on what we, the tv audience were shown... who are you to throw all of these people into a single category ? I do think some are changed and will continue on the path... and I don't need to watch this show to see it... think about what happens when someone gives you a new outlook on your future... when you've been this "nobody" practically your entire life... again... who are you to know ?
 

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It was funny that the last three finalist, Cindy, Beth, and Rachel were shown talking about why the wanted thier makeovers at the beginning of the show (and in that order) and then ending up
3) Cindy 2) Beth Swan) Rachel.
 

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Originally posted by: Hardcore
They just got plastic surgery. They're still ugly, pathetic people inside whom I can't imagine anybody could stand to be around.

So because they're unattractive, they're ugly and pathetic on the inside, and you can't imagine anybody could stand to be around them?
You + ASSumption = silly sentence. They are ugly and pathetic on the inside and I can't imagine how anybody can be around them because they are _ugly and pathetic on the inside_. Did you watch the show? I've never in my life been so impressed at how pitifully low somebody's self-esteem can be. They cry at the drop of a hat, can't imagine how anybody loves them, hate themselves, etc. How could anybody stand to be around them?!
I ASSURE you that half of them at least will, a few years down the road while eating ice cream and sitting in XXL sweats, watch reruns of this and weep to themselves like the pitiful cry babies they are.

And no, you're wrong. CNN as well as Dateline i believe followed up on people from Extreme Makeover, and most of them were doing quite well.[/quote]I thought we were talking about the Swan, not extreme makeover? Forgive me. On on the Swan they took not only people with bad clothing sense, bodies, etc. but also people with sub-human levels of self-esteem. I couldn't act that pitiful if I tried. That's what separates them from people on EM. You can't give somebody a set of braces and expect to make up for decades of self-abuse, which these people have put themselves though.
Boy you're just getting dumber and dumber as the years go by.
Conjecture.
 

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Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Nothing like taking ugly needy people with no self-esteem and turning them into slightly overweight people with nice hair, a fake nose and low self esteem to make for quality entertainment...
Yeah they didn't turn themselves around. They just got plastic surgery. They're still ugly, pathetic people inside whom I can't imagine anybody could stand to be around. If not for the show they'd be in the same spot they were before. I ASSURE you that half of them at least will, a few years down the road while eating ice cream and sitting in XXL sweats, watch reruns of this and weep to themselves like the pitiful cry babies they are.
So judgmental... based on what we, the tv audience were shown... who are you to throw all of these people into a single category ? I do think some are changed and will continue on the path... and I don't need to watch this show to see it... think about what happens when someone gives you a new outlook on your future... when you've been this "nobody" practically your entire life... again... who are you to know ?
Don't take things so seriously :) Im simply guessing based upon the show. I don't give a damn either way what happens to them, but I'd wager that they'll in most cases resort back to the lives they knew before. A lifetime of psychological problems cannot be reversed with a few trips to the gym and going under the knife. The human psyche is not nearly so pliable, and if these girls suddenly think that their lives are a bed of roses it will make the trip back down to the bottom all the steeper.

Anybody who watches this show for anything more than "wow, plastic surgery is capable of a LOT" is fooling themselves.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Hardcore
They just got plastic surgery. They're still ugly, pathetic people inside whom I can't imagine anybody could stand to be around.

So because they're unattractive, they're ugly and pathetic on the inside, and you can't imagine anybody could stand to be around them?
You + ASSumption = silly sentence. They are ugly and pathetic on the inside and I can't imagine how anybody can be around them because they are _ugly and pathetic on the inside_. Did you watch the show? I've never in my life been so impressed at how pitifully low somebody's self-esteem can be. They cry at the drop of a hat, can't imagine how anybody loves them, hate themselves, etc. How could anybody stand to be around them?!

Most of these people had problems all their life. Growing up through all those years with a large nose, being made fun of in schools... those scars lasts much longer than most people think (and isn't your father a psychologist? I would think somebody like you wouldn't be so ignorant). Or they've had a recent crisis in their life (husband that cheated on them, divorce, etc). The Swan, as well as Extreme Makeover, chose people who had these problems specifically, in order to give them another chance. And crying at a drop of a hat, low esteem, hating themselves, etc is pathetic? it's called DEPRESSION. Well thankfully not everybody is as judgemental or ignorant as you, and don't abandon somebody just because they're in a depressed state.



I ASSURE you that half of them at least will, a few years down the road while eating ice cream and sitting in XXL sweats, watch reruns of this and weep to themselves like the pitiful cry babies they are.

And no, you're wrong. CNN as well as Dateline i believe followed up on people from Extreme Makeover, and most of them were doing quite well.
I thought we were talking about the Swan, not extreme makeover? Forgive me. On on the Swan they took not only people with bad clothing sense, bodies, etc. but also people with sub-human levels of self-esteem. I couldn't act that pitiful if I tried. That's what separates them from people on EM. You can't give somebody a set of braces and expect to make up for decades of self-abuse, which these people have put themselves though.[/quote]

You must not have watched EM either... because people on EM were also very low in self-esteem... hell, what would make somebody take off 4-6 months of their life from their loved ones, undergo painful surgeries and months of painful recovery, if they weren't desperate? And the Swan wasn't all about the surgery, but they underwent therapy as well. One of the things they were rated on (when they were being paired off, not the contest last night, i didn't watch that) was how well they did on therapy.

Boy you're just getting dumber and dumber as the years go by.
Conjecture.[/quote]

The proof is in this thread.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Nothing like taking ugly needy people with no self-esteem and turning them into slightly overweight people with nice hair, a fake nose and low self esteem to make for quality entertainment...
Yeah they didn't turn themselves around. They just got plastic surgery. They're still ugly, pathetic people inside whom I can't imagine anybody could stand to be around. If not for the show they'd be in the same spot they were before. I ASSURE you that half of them at least will, a few years down the road while eating ice cream and sitting in XXL sweats, watch reruns of this and weep to themselves like the pitiful cry babies they are.
So judgmental... based on what we, the tv audience were shown... who are you to throw all of these people into a single category ? I do think some are changed and will continue on the path... and I don't need to watch this show to see it... think about what happens when someone gives you a new outlook on your future... when you've been this "nobody" practically your entire life... again... who are you to know ?
Don't take things so seriously :) Im simply guessing based upon the show. I don't give a damn either way what happens to them, but I'd wager that they'll in most cases resort back to the lives they knew before. A lifetime of psychological problems cannot be reversed with a few trips to the gym and going under the knife. The human psyche is not nearly so pliable, and if these girls suddenly think that their lives are a bed of roses it will make the trip back down to the bottom all the steeper.

You're just so ignorant of this show... hell, of life in general. This isn't a few trips to a gym or seeing a counselor one time. This is 4+ months of intense therapy. They were away from their family for all that time, locked in a room. They had nothing to do but recovery and therapy.
 

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You're right I didn't watch EM. I was just guessing again :) Hardcore PLEASE don't get so worked up over this. Are you married to one of these women or a brother with them? They aren't going to read this thread. There's just no reason to make such a big deal out of it.
it's called DEPRESSION. Well thankfully not everybody is as judgemental or ignorant as you, and don't abandon somebody just because they're in a depressed state.
Yet again, word of the day is ASSumption.
The proof is in this thread.
No, that only says how dumb I am now. Without anything to cross-reference it by how do you know that all of my earlier posts were not in fact dumber? Conjecture I tell ya :p
 

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You're just so ignorant of this show... hell, of life in general.
My God man you ASSume even more than I! That you can decry my ignorance of life in general based upon several hundred words I've posted here is a tribute to your ability to guess with kings, or you're truly one of the best psychologists on the planet...maybe even the best.
This isn't a few trips to a gym or seeing a counselor one time. This is 4+ months of intense therapy. They were away from their family for all that time, locked in a room. They had nothing to do but recovery and therapy.
Well I guess we'll see, because season two will almost certainly revisit some of the season one contestents. When they're back to doing it themselves without a team of professionals prodding them along every step of the way we'll be able to finally see how much they really changed. My guess: not much.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
You're right I didn't watch EM. I was just guessing again :) Hardcore PLEASE don't get so worked up over this. Are you married to one of these women or a brother with them? They aren't going to read this thread. There's just no reason to make such a big deal out of it.

No, but just because you insult them, doesn't mean i don't have a right to defend them. Most of these women do have serious problems... and have had them for most of their life. I'm glad they were able to get help and get another chance at life, even if it was exploited by Fox.