Did Adam and Eve have a daughter?

[UglyCasanova]

I am just curious if Adam and Eve had a daughter. We were discussing this at work for a minute and it peaked my interest. I am pretty sure they had 2 sons, Caine and Abel right? I need to go open up the Bible in a bit, but I don't have one here. I know the Bible traces alot of lineage, but I can't remember anything about there being a daughter. Even if there was a daughter, there would have to be incest, right? I am probably wrong on this because I am struggling trying to remember the details. Anyone here want to clarify?

Btw, I don't want to start some kind of religious flamefest. Whether you or I believe the Bible is true or not is irrelavant. I'm just trying to figure out how it says it goes.

 

[Ameesh]

this is the one of the problems with creationist theories. There would defently be a lack of gentic diversity, and there would be a lot incest going on and if did happen that way we would see a lot more of the population with genetic failures. Plus they would have had to live hundreds of years and have thousands of babies.

 

[NoCommie]

I believe incest is unavoidable at the beginning of the human race whether you are a creationist or evolutionist.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I hadn't thought of it that way. I wonder if starting from 2 people there were enough time to create the world today of some 6.2? billion people in it in just a few thousand years. Let's assume everyone has 8 children, how long would it take to go from 2 to 6.2 billion? I just guessed 8 though, maybe there was more or less. I never thought about the genetic diseases though.

 

[chickendinner]

Originally posted by: NoCommie
I believe incest is unavoidable at the beginning of the human race whether you are a creationist or evolutionist.

Yup.

 

[Tdawg951]

i believe that the exact words say somethign like :"Adam lived for x years and had other sons and daughters" so i would assume that means he had a daughter ( or more). also, adam lived for something like 900+ years...so its hard to imagine he wouldnt have a daughter in that time

 

[Ramsnake]

nope they didnt have a daughter in the "story" i guess...so that solves your problem....please dont make this a thread about the defects of religion...sick of convincing the infidels of reality....

 

[UglyCasanova]

Originally posted by: NoCommie
I believe incest is unavoidable at the beginning of the human race whether you are a creationist or evolutionist.

True. I've never understood exactly how evolution works. i'm not saying I don't believe it, because I do, I'm just saying I can't imagine how it could work. Does an entire population merely emerge in an instant? After one has mutated, with whom does it mate? Maybe it mates with it's former species creating a hybrid or something?

 

[GingerSynapse]

Sure, they had a daughter.

But due to a typographical error in the early scriptures, nobody heard the story of Cain and Mabel.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Originally posted by: Tdawg951
i believe that the exact words say somethign like :"Adam lived for x years and had other sons and daughters" so i would assume that means he had a daughter ( or more). also, adam lived for something like 900+ years...so its hard to imagine he wouldnt have a daughter in that time

I know it says they lived for so many hundred years, but i do find that hard to believe. What if their calender were different from ours and their year == 20 days for us or something. This would make him about 45 in our years, and that seems feasible.

I guess that the Bible must have started in Arkansas. That would clear up alot.

 

[Ramsnake]

Originally posted by: dparker

Originally posted by: NoCommie
I believe incest is unavoidable at the beginning of the human race whether you are a creationist or evolutionist.

True. I've never understood exactly how evolution works. i'm not saying I don't believe it, because I do, I'm just saying I can't imagine how it could work. Does an entire population merely emerge in an instant? After one has mutated, with whom does it mate? Maybe it mates with it's former species creating a hybrid or something?

evolution takes place over a time span of 10s and 100s of millions of years.....everything is extremely slow.........even if god is there, everything has come to the present stage because of evolution for very basic forms of life. if u think god is there...it is better to think that he created protons and neutrons....

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: dparker

Originally posted by: NoCommie
I believe incest is unavoidable at the beginning of the human race whether you are a creationist or evolutionist.

True. I've never understood exactly how evolution works. i'm not saying I don't believe it, because I do, I'm just saying I can't imagine how it could work. Does an entire population merely emerge in an instant? After one has mutated, with whom does it mate? Maybe it mates with it's former species creating a hybrid or something?

how can you believe in evolution and not know how it works?

 

[NoCommie]

Maybe it mates with it's former species creating a hybrid or somethin

I too am confused about this. If I were to believe in evolution, that means that homo sapiens evolved from ape. Therefore, ape and human can mate and produce offsprings (which is impossible). Also, are we evolving?

 

[neomits]

Here's the story of Cain and Able

Yes I'm sure Adam and Eve had many sons AND daughters... the bible just doesn't mention many women and it really only mentions important men.

Incest is going to happen.... evolution, creation... or whatever you believe

 

[hudster]

don't have a bible handy? there's an online one here

for the story of Cain&Abel, take a look on that same site at Genesis 4 (i'm using the NIV version)

check out verse 14, where Cain says to the Lord "...I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me"...so even though at this point in Genesis only Adam&Eve and Cain&Abel are mentioned by name, Cain is worried that whoever finds him will kill him...does this seem to imply that there were other people?

Then in verse 17, it mentions Cain's wife, who obviously had to come from somewhere...I really can't imagine that she was Cain's sister.

two other small notes:

in verse 25, it mentions that Eve gives birth to another son, Seth.

over in chapter 5, verse 4 mentions that Adam had other sons and daughters.

I'm certainly no expert, but I would imagine it's possible, or maybe even probable, that Adam & Eve were not the only 2 "created" people. Maybe other people were created too, but only Adam & Eve are explicitly mentioned by name.


-hudster

 

[UglyCasanova]

how can you believe in evolution and not know how it works?

Well, you tell me how it works. I know all about mutations and genetics and the what not, but it is just hard for me to envision in my head. I've taken some biology and have a very vague overview of evolution, but we did not get into much detail. I realize that there is much controversy over the issue, but to me it is sound. I have yet to see something disprove evolution. I guess it is impossible for anyone to say with 100% certainty that evolution occurs, but for now it's all we have and it seems to be true. Who knows what we will think in 100+ years.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: dparker
I hadn't thought of it that way. I wonder if starting from 2 people there were enough time to create the world today of some 6.2? billion people in it in just a few thousand years. Let's assume everyone has 8 children, how long would it take to go from 2 to 6.2 billion? I just guessed 8 though, maybe there was more or less. I never thought about the genetic diseases though.

At 8 children, each, it would take 21 generations to reach almost 7 billion people.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: dparker
I hadn't thought of it that way. I wonder if starting from 2 people there were enough time to create the world today of some 6.2? billion people in it in just a few thousand years. Let's assume everyone has 8 children, how long would it take to go from 2 to 6.2 billion? I just guessed 8 though, maybe there was more or less. I never thought about the genetic diseases though.

At 8 children, each, it would take 21 generations to reach almost 7 billion people.

Ok, how long is a generation? Maybe we should bring the number down. What if it were only 2 kids?

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: dparker

how can you believe in evolution and not know how it works?

Well, you tell me how it works. I know all about mutations and genetics and the what not, but it is just hard for me to envision in my head. I've taken some biology and have a very vague overview of evolution, but we did not get into much detail. I realize that there is much controversy over the issue, but to me it is sound. I have yet to see something disprove evolution. I guess it is impossible for anyone to say with 100% certainty that evolution occurs, but for now it's all we have and it seems to be true. Who knows what we will think in 100+ years.

thats not true, we have seen eveolution/natural selection in labs thousands of times you hear about the strains of bacteria getting resistant to anti-bacterial soaps.

read this for more information on how it works.

 

[sciencewhiz]

1 man and one woman have 1 son and 1 daughter. they would have one son and one daughter. if that cycle ever ends, the end of humanity

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: dparker

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: dparker
I hadn't thought of it that way. I wonder if starting from 2 people there were enough time to create the world today of some 6.2? billion people in it in just a few thousand years. Let's assume everyone has 8 children, how long would it take to go from 2 to 6.2 billion? I just guessed 8 though, maybe there was more or less. I never thought about the genetic diseases though.

At 8 children, each, it would take 21 generations to reach almost 7 billion people.

Ok, how long is a generation? Maybe we should bring the number down. What if it were only 2 kids?

you are try to calculate some statistics by guessing where your whole premise is faulty. the birth rate of the world over the ages would be a very hard model to make.

 

[alrocky]

Originally posted by: NoCommie
I believe incest is unavoidable at the beginning of the human race whether you are a creationist or evolutionist.

Nope*. Wrong answer. You're the weakest link. Goodbye.




*Regarding evolution, if you mean incest was neccesary because of a small initial 'human' population. If instead you suggest that prehistoric 'man' and 'woman' most likely mated with close relatives, well that's hard to disprove.


And no, evolution theory does not say humans evolved from apes.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Thanks for the link. I guess i'm going to do some reading up on evolution. I know whatever statistics I can come up with aren't worth anything, i'm just playing what-if. Since HS biology is all I've had so far, I don't know much about evolution. Maybe they'll teach that kind of stuff in college. I could tell my HS biology teacher was a little hesitant to get into the subject, seeing how my entire class is openly Christian. When she did we had an arguement that lasted all hour. I'm not trying prove nor disprove either case, though. All of this just stems from the other cashiers and I talking at work today.

 

[Moonbeam]

If you think that humans and apes can't mate, you know nothing about sailors.

On a more serious note, many scientists believe that humans and chimps are genetically so close that they can have offspring. The experiment isn't done for ethical reasons, although I can't imagine somebody hasn't investigated it in a test tube but for those reasons doesn't publish.

Animals seem to prefer genetically unrelated mates. The genetic similarity of modern humans points to an evolutioary bottleneck in our relatively recent history. 200,000? years or so? The implication, of course is that modern humans evolved from a relatively small population group. But the debate still rages over replacement or assimilation of earlier peoples or homonid groups, ie homo erectus.

 

[NoCommie]

Found this site. I hope I linked it correctly.
If there are 10 Neaderthal (or Cro-Cain's wife

*Regarding evolution, if you mean incest was neccesary because of

How does that small group of 'humans' came about??