Diablo III release date April 17th?

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Generator

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Diablo 3 is the new gaming model where Blizzard is willing to tolerate a loss of sales from people for whatever reasons who don't want to be online. When you think about it Blizzard is basically mandating that all their player join into the pool. What drives this game is gear amongst the rest of the player base. That $60 dollars from a offline player is a one time deal. It has no potential multiplier from a connected, online player who from the very player's presence alone enhances the games community and economy.

The game pays for itself if it has the ravenous player base that D2 had. To ensure that no one can play the system. It is what it is.
 

SMOGZINN

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If you extrapolate your statement out to the extreme case where somehow it was literally impossible to pirate ANY game EVER, then what you are essentially saying is the vast majority of pirates would just stop playing games altogether, and I think that is an absurd conclusion.

If you extrapolate any statement to the extreme it becomes absurd. The question is not whether any one person that every pirated a game would have bought it, it is whether the claim that 1 download = 1 lost sale holds any merit. It is the claim the game producers are making with their calculations on lost sales, and it is clearly an absurd claim.

The much more likely case is that every person has the ability to pirate a game, and each person makes the decision to pirate or not pirate based on their morals, their financial situation, and the difficulty of obtaining a pirated copy of the game.

This first statement is clearly not true. My 65 year old dad does not have the ability to pirate peggle, but he has bought it.

So, we have one case. People that buy the game that can not pirate it. I think this group is bigger then you believe. I know lots of people that play games that can't install the game from DVD with out assistance if it does not autorun.

DRM does nothing but harm this group. They would have bought it anyway, now DRM can just get in their way.

People who refuse to pirate games on a moral basis can be discounted for this purpose, as they are paying customers.

It seems that you are in this category. I don't know how large it is, but based on the outcry on every forum I am a member of, it can't be too small.

As you point out, DRM does not profit the company with this group either.

Then theres the people who simply can't afford games (I pirated a few games back in my teen years simply because I had no income). If pirating became impossible, almost all of these people would not purchase the game legally.

A clear group that shows pirating does not equal lost sales. This group is much large then you suppose. This group basically consists of every PC game player between the age of 8 and 16. Check my math, but that is a large number, right?

I would guess these people don't make up a large percentage of piraters because most people who can afford computers can also afford the games.

This group does not afford computers, their parents do. And their parents don't give them $60 for games every other week. They are allowed to occasionally buy games, and get them as presents, so I would say maybe 1 in 20 pirated games from this group would have actually equaled a lost sale, maybe not even that many as those presents are still bought, as are the new games.

Then theres the people who are morally okay with pirating, and because of the ease of pirating games they choose to do that instead of pay for it. My guess is that these people make up the vast majority of piraters, and if pirating suddenly became completely impossible for some reason, many of these people would become paying customers.

I would guess these people make up a much smaller group then you think. To be good at pirating you have to be knowledgeable and spend a lot of time at it, otherwise you get crappy hacks that just install malware on your system. Much more time then people with the disposable income that allows them to buy 30+ games a year have. No, these are the bored geeks, the ideological, and the poor. Of those, the bored geeks are the only ones that would buy, and even they would only buy maybe half the games they pirate.
Hell, when I was a poor collage student I pirated games, and I don't think I even played half of them. Most games were collected so I had something to trade when a game I wanted came up. Today that would be the equivalent of building up ratio or cred on 0-day sites.

It will take time, but somebody is going to figure out the magic recipe that allows their loyal paying customers to enjoy the game hassle free, yet be enough of a deterrent to pirating that most of the people who would consider it just won't want to deal with the hassle. If they don't keep working at it though, then it will never happen.

No they won't. It is not even theoretically possible. Computers copy data. It is a core definition of what a computer is.
As my Comp-Sci professor used to say, 'if you want to keep them from your data, you have to unplug the computer and lock the door. But then it is not much use to you.'

DRM is a failed concept. Digital content providers better be working on a new business model, this one is doomed.
 

GlacierFreeze

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I hope Blizzard protects D3 so much that none of the low life, scummy pirates can get it for free. Unfortunately they'll get their stingy, greasy, thieving hands on it eventually. Funny how people try to make up excuses and defend pirating. "It's okay to take what's not yours." Absolutely pathetic. Society is doomed no doubt.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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I hope Blizzard protects D3 so much that none of the low life, scummy pirates can get it for free. Unfortunately they'll get their stingy, greasy, thieving hands on it eventually. Funny how people try to make up excuses and defend pirating. "It's okay to take what's not yours." Absolutely pathetic. Society is doomed no doubt.

No one here was defending pirates. The closest anyone came was simply talking about reality without condoning it.
 

JackSpadesSI

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I can't read Battle.net at work... will it be possible to pre-install this game by digital download in order to play right at 12:01am?
 

Anubis

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I can't read Battle.net at work... will it be possible to pre-install this game by digital download in order to play right at 12:01am?

i want to say yes, they have done that for every blizz release since OG Wow
all xpacks as well as SC2 you were able to do that with

however it will most likely be 12:01 PST
 

Grooveriding

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I can't read Battle.net at work... will it be possible to pre-install this game by digital download in order to play right at 12:01am?

You can pre-download already. My wife purchased the annual pass and on her account it is available for download. I would assume like all Blizz games though you just need the small file that installs the download client. So those of us who pre-ordered a CE can still have the game downloaded/installed ahead of time.

edit: http://us.media.battle.net.edgesuit...Diablo-III-8370-enUS-Installer-downloader.exe

That will let you pre download.
 
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JackSpadesSI

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You can pre-download already. My wife purchased the annual pass and on her account it is available for download. I would assume like all Blizz games though you just need the small file that installs the download client. So those of us who pre-ordered a CE can still have the game downloaded/installed ahead of time.

Wait... how do you get the CE and a pre-install? I thought the CE was a disc-only edition. Currently, I have the CE pre-ordered from Amazon, and I'll buy a second copy for my wife through Battle.net. Are you saying that I should be able to pre-install BOTH of those?
 

Grooveriding

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Wait... how do you get the CE and a pre-install? I thought the CE was a disc-only edition. Currently, I have the CE pre-ordered from Amazon, and I'll buy a second copy for my wife through Battle.net. Are you saying that I should be able to pre-install BOTH of those?

Well the CE is no different on the game level than the regular edition. It's the stuff in the box and the items it attaches to your account that are different. The client is universal, you just need your box to add the game code to your battle.net account so you can log in.

So you can just use that link to download the game if you want to have it installed before hand without using the discs from your box.
 

JackSpadesSI

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Well the CE is no different on the game level than the regular edition. It's the stuff in the box and the items it attaches to your account that are different. The client is universal, you just need your box to add the game code to your battle.net account so you can log in.

So you can just use that link to download the game if you want to have it installed before hand without using the discs from your box.

Oh, so you don't need to buy it through Battle.net to get a pre-install?
 

Aikouka

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Oh, so you don't need to buy it through Battle.net to get a pre-install?

I assume the link provided by Grooveriding would work for pre-installing regardless of purchase. However, you will be unable to log into Diablo III until your Battle.Net account has a Diablo III license attached to it.
 

M0oG0oGaiPan

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yes, how else would they do it?

Yep or GameFly Digital or some other digital site. With diablo 2 I could just activate the cd key online. Bought it from some shady site called MMOGA or something. I could save $8 if I double dip affiliate commissions through Amazon but there's a chance I'd want to play when it launches and the servers are overloaded like crazy.
 

alent1234

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vast majority of pirates would have never purchased in the first place which is why all those lost income statements and absolutely wortheless.

the games get on p2p before release with someone uploading it

do you really think a huge corporation like activision bllizzard doesn't have source code protection in place?

they "leak" it on purpose
 

darkewaffle

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Yep or GameFly Digital or some other digital site. With diablo 2 I could just activate the cd key online. Bought it from some shady site called MMOGA or something. I could save $8 if I double dip affiliate commissions through Amazon but there's a chance I'd want to play when it launches and the servers are overloaded like crazy.

That's just buying it retail through a different channel, those sites have no integration with the actual product itself. They simply pull the code out of the box and email it to you.
 

M0oG0oGaiPan

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That's just buying it retail through a different channel, those sites have no integration with the actual product itself. They simply pull the code out of the box and email it to you.

That's true for most of the shady cd key sites but it I don't think that's what they do for some of the bigger digital distribution sites. For example, GMG sells copies of Magicka DLC and it's just a code you enter into Steam. D2D used to work in a similar way but it's changed since they went to their GameFly client. That's how Get Games also works for Steamworks titles also.

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I agree it's a different form of retail. Ideally it would mean possible pre-order deal if you could purchase from one of those sites and plug your code into battle.net.
 

boozie

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If I'm not ordering the CE, the most practical choice is to buy it online so I don't have to wait for it to come to me or go buy it at a store correct?