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DHS buys another 700 million rounds of amo...

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velillen said:
The DHS didnt BUY any ammo yet. That is simply a contract that allows them TO BUY up to 700mil rounds of ammo. Nothing in there says they have to purchase every single round but rather it is a upper limit that they can purchase if needed.

And seriously 2.5k a year for an agent is hardly anything. 625 rounds every 3 months for practice. O but even less since that covers their qualification as well (cant remember how many rounds just for that). Really that might sound like a lot but its not.

And no i cant believe im actually supporting the DHS >.<
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At the height of the Iraq war they were using 6 million rounds a month. Not sure if this is in addition to previous purchases or if those purchases were actually made but:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbe...ecurity-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/
 
BoT said:
FMJ and hollow point have nothing to do with each other. FMJ stand for full metal jacket which are different from hallow point ammunition. FMJ's are usually armour piercing rounds while hollow points are splash damage and expanding rounds more suited for humans and animals.
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LOL

FMJs are not "armor piercing", especially in a pistol round. FMJs are what just about every gun owner in the country uses at the range because they are MUCH cheaper to shoot then good JHP that you usually carry in your pistol.

And JHP do not "splash".
 
Darwin333 said:
LOL

FMJs are not "armor piercing", especially in a pistol round. FMJs are what just about every gun owner in the country uses at the range because they are MUCH cheaper to shoot then good JHP that you usually carry in your pistol.

And JHP do not "splash".
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I contend that there are hollow point rounds that are fully jacketed...
 
BoT said:
point is hallow point is not FMJ
i also know that you guys like to know references. so i provided the most simple one.
if you can find me information that says otherwise please provide it. i would like to review it.
i already corrected my statement about "armor piercing".
"splash damage" splash damage is one of the reasons to use hollow point ammunition. the bullet expands and disintegrates on impact and the fragments cause additional damage to the subject.
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No.

The reason you use hollow points is because the bullet expands upon impact and usually doesn't go all the way through the target. That means that all of the energy from the bullet is imparted into the target which is far more energy than a bullet (same caliber) that goes through a target. Some do break up upon impact to very hard surfaces such as bone but that is not the main objective.
 
RampantAndroid said:
I contend that there are hollow point rounds that are fully jacketed...
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That may or may not be true. However in the world of guns and especially pistol ammo when someone mentions "FMJ" ammo they are NEVER speaking of a hollow point bullet. When you go to the store and purchase ammo and it says "FMJ" on the box you are not getting hollow point bullets.

Even if a fully jacketed hollow point exist it would still be referred to as "JHP" or perhaps it would be given an additional initial. It would never be referred to as simply "FMJ".

This is very basic ammunition/gun terminology.
 
RampantAndroid said:
I contend that there are hollow point rounds that are fully jacketed...
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That may or may not be true. However in the world of guns and especially pistol ammo when someone mentions "FMJ" ammo they are NEVER speaking of a hollow point bullet. When you go to the store and purchase ammo and it says "FMJ" on the box you are not getting hollow point bullets.

Even if a fully jacketed hollow point exist it would still be referred to as "JHP" or perhaps it would be given an additional initial. It would never be referred to as simply "FMJ".

This is very basic ammunition/gun terminology.

Edit: Besides, I don't see where I said anything to the contrary of your statement unless you are trying to say that fully jacketed JHP is armor piercing?? Otherwise I don't understand your point. What you contend is still a jacketed hollow point bullet.....
 
RampantAndroid said:
I think only M855 has green tip for AP ammo - while the ATF won't call it an AP round (why the SS109 rounds are legal as well) it is an AP round for all intents and purposes.



So, just to be clear, what you're saying is that these rounds don't exist, and I don't own them, correct?

JHP.JPG


They look pretty real to me. They feel pretty real to me. When I pull the trigger with them in my gun, they sound pretty real, too.
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as you can clearly see, i hope, the the bullet tip is not covered by the jacket. therefore it is an JHP not an FMJ
 
Darwin333 said:
That may or may not be true. However in the world of guns and especially pistol ammo when someone mentions "FMJ" ammo they are NEVER speaking of a hollow point bullet. When you go to the store and purchase ammo and it says "FMJ" on the box you are not getting hollow point bullets.

Even if a fully jacketed hollow point exist it would still be referred to as "JHP" or perhaps it would be given an additional initial. It would never be referred to as simply "FMJ".

This is very basic ammunition/gun terminology.

Edit: Besides, I don't see where I said anything to the contrary of your statement unless you are trying to say that fully jacketed JHP is armor piercing?? Otherwise I don't understand your point. What you contend is still a jacketed hollow point bullet.....
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I don't say give me FMJ, I say what's the cheapest plinking ammo you have. Or what's the most powerful bear load. Etc. I know better than to apply general terms when buying something 🙂

My point is Bot has no idea what he or she is talking about, really. I'm not arguing with you. Look at my post with the photo in it - see where I added bold to Bot's earlier statement.

BoT said:
as you can clearly see, i hope, the the bullet tip is not covered by the jacket. therefore it is an JHP not an FMJ
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THE WHOLE THING IS COPPER. You lost. You cover everything in copper with a hollow point to make sure it holds together. Which is what federal did here.
 
ElMonoDelMar said:
The round you posted isn't jacketed at all. It's a 100% copper slug.
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Yes. I made that clear. My point is simply that you cannot make blanket statements, which Bot is doing. I don't own any fully jacketed hollow points, but they exist. I just happened to own this round. You do it to prevent it from fragmenting.
 
ElMonoDelMar said:
I know plated HP rounds exist, I was just commenting on the Remingtons that you posted earlier.
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OK, but I highlighted they were just copper. The point I'm making is that bot is spreading misinformation (not to be confused with disinformation - I don't think there's intent here.)
 
BoT said:
a hollow point bullet with a jacket is called a JHP, not FMJ. so by definition a FMJ can not be a hollow point because that would make it a JHP, not a FMJ.
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Um, I didn't actually say otherwise. However, it might be instructive to look at the Russian 5N7 5.45x39mm round, which actually has a hollow tip inside a very thin full metal jacket. It's an attempt to maintain Hague legality while getting near-JHP expansion and FMJ reliability. (It also includes a steel penetrator core and a lead base plug to promote tumbling; it's a very small bullet attempting to do everything.) There is also an American 7.62x51mm sniper round (I forget the designation) which actually is a FMJ with an exposed hollow tip; it was ruled Hague-compliant because the machined (IIRC) hollow is small and is designed to promote long range accuracy, not to expand and cause unnecessary suffering.
 
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