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[MentalIlness]

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Capcom: New DMC Needs A Fresh "Western Touch"

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Right about now, most all fans of the franchise are covering their ears going, "no, no, no, no, no, nononono!!!"
In the latest attempt by a Japanese developer to give Western gamers what they "want," Capcom boss Keiji Inafune has said the next Devil May Cry will have a distinct "western touch" so it'll be more appealing to North American and European gamers. Rumored to be in development at Ninja Theory (Heavenly Sword, Enslaved: Odyssey to the West), the mystery DMC5 project has remained under wraps for quite some time. But this first bit of news may not go over well with series followers; Inafune apparently made the following statement to Spanish source 3DJuegos:
"Devil May Cry 5 is a game that, when started development, this will change a lot in relation to the above. The reason is that, despite the franchise has some very loyal followers, their sales are not particularly high, especially overseas. For this reason, it is likely that in the fifth chapter will incorporate certain 'Western touch' to make it more attractive to American and European players."
Great. Here we go again. The new DMC should be announced in a few weeks time at this year's Tokyo Game Show but if it's significantly different from previous entries, those loyal fans might freak right out...Capcom seems to think what a lot of Japanese developers think these days: instead of expanding the formula to appeal to a larger audience, they'll ditch the original fans because there aren't enough of them, and then try to attain more new fans. We can't figure the logic in this (it's only math), but hey, we're not business executives.
Now we wait with a touch of anxiety. 'cringes'

 

[Malak]

You can't fault them, as a business, to prefer to cater to the masses rather than the minority. I'm in the masses who find the game pitiful.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

You must not watch much anime. That's code for 'we're gonna f**k with the West because we can.'

 

[gorcorps]

Well they needed to do something... DMC4 was pretty stale and was just more of the same stuff we've seen for years now. Anything to make it seem fresh again will be nice.

 

[Dumac]

Hrmm...

They need to be careful with this. A lot of times, attempt to change the standard of a series to appeal to a new audience just ends up with both the fans AND that new audience completely disinterested.

DMC (and Bayonetta) are just too wacky for most westerners. If this means making the game less wacky, then I'm sorely disappointed.

 

[Aikouka]

A lot of times I hear gamers say, "They need to change things up", but I don't usually see people say what they'd like to see change... so what would some of you like to see change in DMC?

To me... DMC is such a stylized action game, that I'm not even sure what you could change to make it better. It might be interesting to explore some sort of Co-op ability in the game, but you'd have to do something to make it fun to add in another player (more than just playing with a buddy)... such as "combo combos" .

 

[Dumac]

A lot of times I hear gamers say, "They need to change things up", but I don't usually see people say what they'd like to see change... so what would some of you like to see change in DMC?

To me... DMC is such a stylized action game, that I'm not even sure what you could change to make it better. It might be interesting to explore some sort of Co-op ability in the game, but you'd have to do something to make it fun to add in another player (more than just playing with a buddy)... such as "combo combos" .

There are some gameplay things that are always good to have..

Tight gameplay, alternative unlockable characters with interesting combos, cool weapons that are actually useful, and what not.

Co-op would be a cool idea. Co-op combos would be crazy.

Or you could have things like arena 1v1 deathmatch multiplayer, if there are enough characters and you get to choose you loadout (weapon choices) before hand. Each character could have a variety of competitive load outs.

There are a number of ways to revolutionize a game like DMC, but I think making it more "Western" isn't the best way.

 

[Aikouka]

There are a number of ways to revolutionize a game like DMC, but I think making it more "Western" isn't the best way.

Well one thing I wonder... what does "make it Western" even mean? Looking past the obvious westernizations that we've seen in the past... do they want to put a wife beater on Dante? Introduce a character with a southern drawl or some bling?

It's not like DMC really had any odd, strong Japanese aspects that were inherent to it... as those aspects would typically be "ported" over to a style that's more known to other regions.

 

[Dumac]

Well one thing I wonder... what does "make it Western" even mean? Looking past the obvious westernizations that we've seen in the past... do they want to put a wife beater on Dante? Introduce a character with a southern drawl or some bling?

It's not like DMC really had any odd, strong Japanese aspects that were inherent to it... as those aspects would typically be "ported" over to a style that's more known to other regions.

Add quick time events?

Tone down the wackiness (no more CRAAAAAAZY rocket riding type and surviving shots in the head situations)?

Give the main character more stubble, more muscles, and make him less ridiculously powerful?

Basically turn the game into God of War.

 

[Aikouka]

Basically turn the game into God of War.

Haha, you know... God of War was the only thing I could think of that was even close to it (that was American) that they could turn it into .

Just add some nude chicks in the game (like Dante's Inferno and God of War) and they'll be good .

 

[Dumac]

Haha, you know... God of War was the only thing I could think of that was even close to it (that was American) that they could turn it into .

Just add some nude chicks in the game (like Dante's Inferno and God of War) and they'll be good .

What really irks me about DMC become more God of War like, is that God of War (to me) is just a casual DMC that I play mostly for the cinematic setting and gratuitous violence/nudity.

As far as gameplay goes, God of War is very button-mashy, where I win by button mashing even on the hardest difficulty levels. DMC is the opposite, where if you button mash you will die very quickly.

Not to mention God of War's superfluous QTEs. I hate QTEs, and they were already present in Bayonetta. I can see them entering the DMC series, which would make me very sad.

If DMC5 becomes like God of War, then I'll be missing the extreme combat that I desire.

(This is all negative assumption, however)

 

[KentState]

I didn't think the DMC4 suffered from being not westernized enough. It just was not a memorable game and I grew bored rather quickly. To me, the FF series has suffered from trying to make the game more western with hip-hop like characters but they are always laughable.

 

[OptimumSlinky]

At the risk of sounding politically incorrect, the Japanese have to start seriously Westernizing a lot of their major titles because they have been and will continue to be rapidly marginalized in the industry. Changes in technology have created a massive paradigm shift in the industry. If you're around my age, think back to your childhood. What were the A-game titles? Mario, Sonic, Final Fantasy. All Japanese. Now think about the present "event" titles for the PS3 and 360 in the US and Europe today. Halo, Modern Warfare, KillZone, Mass Effect, God of War, Crysis (American, American, Dutch, Canadian, American, German).

The reality is for an extended period of time, Western gamer bought Japanese titles because they really were the best, and at certain times, were all there was. But as video games have evolved in Western culture from being something that children play to a stand-alone form of entertainment, they've attracted more and more talent over here, and it's changing the game. No one who has played Mass Effect 2 would accept a new game with voice-acting like that found in almost any Resident Evil title. I remember playing Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden, and while I enjoyed the kinetic aspect of the action, the story and plotting was hilariously preposterous and clearly Japanese.

I don't mean to tread on anyone's toes, but if you look at Japanese games, from JRPGs (which used to sell system loyalty) to action/platformers like DMC or Bayonetta, they've become very niche. Doesn't mean there is anything wrong them them or this, but if the Japanese developers wish to start re-establishing market share/dominance, they have to seriously change up their design strategies. I downloaded the demo for Vanquish a few days ago, played it for about ten minutes, and erased it. It wasn't bad, but it felt like a bunch of Japanese designers trying to develop what they thought a Western gamer would want. Like "Western" characters in FF games, which are almost caricatures and horrible stereotypes, it didn't work because it's so blatantly obvious the designers aren't familiar with what they're trying to add, and it becomes awesomely awkward.

Anyways, I'll reiterate that I'm not a racist or bashing Japanese developers or games. It's just a fascinating shift in the industry, and as an adult who grew up playing games and enjoys them still as an adult, I think it's noticeable.

 

[smackababy]

If the shift towards a more Westernized game tightens the story, then I am all for it. Bayonetta had some great gameplay aspects, but was completely retarded story wise. And the way everything looked was quite stupid.

 

[Kev]

Well one thing I wonder... what does "make it Western" even mean? Looking past the obvious westernizations that we've seen in the past... do they want to put a wife beater on Dante? Introduce a character with a southern drawl or some bling?

It's not like DMC really had any odd, strong Japanese aspects that were inherent to it... as those aspects would typically be "ported" over to a style that's more known to other regions.

maybe it just means the characters aren't annoying as fuck. I couldn't stand the way people acted in the cutscenes in DMC4 and heavenly sword. It was retarded.

 

[Dumac]

I didn't think the DMC4 suffered from being not westernized enough. It just was not a memorable game and I grew bored rather quickly. To me, the FF series has suffered from trying to make the game more western with hip-hop like characters but they are always laughable.

I agree. DMC1 was great, 2 was horrible, and 3 was also great.

4 was just mediocre. The repetition and retreading killed it for me.

 

[Dumac]

maybe it just means the characters aren't annoying as fuck. I couldn't stand the way people acted in the cutscenes in DMC4 and heavenly sword. It was retarded.

Uh...Heavenly Sword is western, and they are also rumored to be the developers working on DMC5 (based on the OP).

Heavenly Sword had great cinematic value, so I hope that carries over to DMC5 at least if they are the ones developing it.

 

[Dumac]

If the shift towards a more Westernized game tightens the story, then I am all for it. Bayonetta had some great gameplay aspects, but was completely retarded story wise. And the way everything looked was quite stupid.

This is probably the main thing that would make it more "western". The visual style, and to a degree, story.

I completely disagree, by the way. Bayonetta was perfect looking the way it did. But they aren't Westernizing Bayonetta, so I guess that's beside the point.

 

[smackababy]

This is probably the main thing that would make it more "western". The visual style, and to a degree, story.

I completely disagree, by the way. Bayonetta was perfect looking the way it did. But they aren't Westernizing Bayonetta, so I guess that's beside the point.

The main character looked and felt out of place. The overall design of all things in the game was piss poor. If it wasn't for the combat and controls, the game would have been very bad.

 

[Dumac]

The main character looked and felt out of place. The overall design of all things in the game was piss poor. If it wasn't for the combat and controls, the game would have been very bad.

Completely disagree. Bayonetta fit in the art style perfectly.

The design was awesome, especially enemy designs.

These are subjective points that aren't really arguable, but this is probably the elements of "western" vs "eastern" opinions that the company is trying to get at. If the main character was some bald guy with facial hair and huge muscles, I bet a lot less people in the US would have issues with the character design.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

if it becomes more like god of war rather than stay like dmc4, its a good thing. god of war is so much better than dmc.

besides, i think western games are way better than japanese games.

 

[Dumac]

if it becomes more like god of war rather than stay like dmc4, its a good thing. god of war is so much better than dmc.

Completely disagree. That would ruin the DMC series.

God of War is like a casual DMC, where you just button mash and have to deal with QTEs with an unoriginal setting/character and enemy design.

Westerners do like GoW more though. It's easy for them to swallow, like Gears of War.

Not to mention that diversity is always a good thing. Why would you want one series to become like another?

 

[MentalIlness]

Completely disagree. That would ruin the DMC series.

God of War is like a casual DMC, where you just button mash and have to deal with QTEs with an unoriginal setting/character and enemy design.

Westerners do like GoW more though. It's easy for them to swallow, like Gears of War.

I disagree as well. God Of War, while a pretty good game in my opinion don't hold a candle to Devil May Cry. Most people that I have come across that say they dislike DMC was because it was simply too hard for them.

Ill tell you what though, it was a real pain in the ass in the Bloody Palace. But as the saying goes, just keep punching Apollo.

Devil May Cry 4 to me was one of the "best" games I have ever played. The story left a lot to be desired because there were a bunch of unanswered questions. Which hopefully, gets answered in DMC5.

I actually completed DMC4 four times I think. And the Bloody Palace twice. The combo's take a while to get used to, but when you get the hang of them, they are unbelievably damaging to the enemy.

I have also played Heavenly Sword. "Walmart in my area still wants $52 for it" And I even still may pick it up again. It was that good, to me.

I wont mind the "westernized" style if that is what they are going for, but the game better relate to the past games, give us answers to some of what happened in DMC4.....or this will be the first DMC game I pass on.

 

[smackababy]

Completely disagree. Bayonetta fit in the art style perfectly.

The design was awesome, especially enemy designs.

These are subjective points that aren't really arguable, but this is probably the elements of "western" vs "eastern" opinions that the company is trying to get at. If the main character was some bald guy with facial hair and huge muscles, I bet a lot less people in the US would have issues with the character design.

Or they could stop focusing so much on fan service and just focus on the game itself? Maybe I am just not 12 anymore so I am no longer amused by the whole over the topness and such.

 

[Dumac]

Or they could stop focusing so much on fan service and just focus on the game itself? Maybe I am just not 12 anymore so I am no longer amused by the whole over the topness and such.

Focus on the game itself? What more do you want. Bayonetta had the best gameplay of any game in the genre.

It has nothing to do with being 12. It's just taste, that's all. It's not like super macho men are magically more mature.