While true, it is interesting how much SOCOM has become a secondary CIA. Not only have many special operations soldiers been cross-trained in developing informant networks, but this move has been codified by stanley mchrystal authorizing SOCOM to both operate and develop informant networks outside of the war zones themselves (in Syria, Saudi Arabia, etc).Man it is hilarious seeing what people post here. People have no f'ing clue.
One of my acquaintances' son became a Navy SEAL. He communicates to his son every few months. He has never "lost" contact. Of course, his son can't say where he is stationed or what he is up to but contact is still made. Special forces are not "spies". They are tactical units that complete missions. They don't go undercover for years.
Some people have been watching too many movies.
Sure, the SEALs are America's premier DA strike force, while Special Operations are (or, really, were) considered "force multipliers." With the increased burden placed on SOCOM, however, this distinction is really disappearing. Yes, Special Forces still conducts training / arming /etc of indigenous forces around the world, but they are increasingly called on (and increasingly trained for) Direct Action missions.Uh, you realize there are two kinds of Special Forces, right? Kinetic (or "black) and training (or "white.") The ones everyone likes to fantasize about are the teams that conduct kinetic operations (where force is applied to the enemy) in daring night time raids and such. The less glamorous ones are the sort that are currently training indigenous forces across the globe in places like Libya.
I think I know what kinetic energy is. That would be like what my hand would possess while I was winding up to smack you upside the head, right? Sorry, I could be wrong, I'm just a dumb Army guy. Also, there might be a difference between "kinetic energy" and "kinetic action."
Definitely true, but operational tempo has increased over the last decade, leading DEVGRU and Delta Force to spend lots and lots of time away from home. That, combined with our ability to rapidly deploy them anywhere in the world has also increased their mission-load. Most of these guys have beepers on them 24/7 and have to be ready to respond within 30 min or so.DEVGRU and Delta Force are even less likely to be deployed under strict operational security for prolonged periods than other commandos. Their primary DA missions are very much 'in and out', not days or weeks.
Umm.. Actual "special forces" aka green berets do very little direct fire aka kinetic action. One main task is to train and communicate with native revolutionaries in country and task them with kenetic action. Sure they can do it but much of their training is language and cultural training not kenetic actions. Think of them as American ambassadors/trainers/nation builders with guns."Kinetic action special forces?" For god's sake, lay off the video games.
False.Umm.. Actual "special forces" aka green berets do very little direct fire aka kinetic action.
Their primary mission is to serve as a force multiplier. This involves not only training locals, but often fighting alongside them.One main task is to train and communicate with native revolutionaries in country and task them with kenetic action.
This is just plain wrong. "Most" of their training involves small unit tactics, weapons handling, communication skills, and medical skills. Where their training deviates from a group such as the SEALs is that on top of their unit training, they are also trained in how to train, mobilize, lead, and support revolutionary and paramilitary groups. That is in addition to their training as proficient killing machines, not in replacement.Sure they can do it but much of their training is language and cultural training not kenetic actions. Think of them as American ambassadors/trainers/nation builders with guns.
You could always tell them because they were the ones out of uniform, and when they were in uniform their firearms, and equipment gave them away, I know we didn't have suppressors Of course we almost never knew which branch they were unless they were with us.I'll never forget that Mouse lookin dude that walked up to me wearing torn jeans, a maroon colored raggidy t-shirt, flip flops, a coyote brown hat backwards, and a rifle slung over his chest, asking me how to clear different types of jams from his m14... inspired me...
You could always tell them because they were the ones out of uniform, and when they were in uniform their firearms, and equipment gave them away, I know we didn't have suppressors Of course we almost never knew which branch they were unless they were with us.
Yeah I didnt mean to make it sound like that. They do DA, probably more than they should in this war, just meant they're not Rangers and not supposed to be their primary utilization.@ Zebo
i got a buddy of mine, that just went back active (green berret) after the army begged him to come back (No kidding. they called and called and called offering bonus after bonus. I actually think they were involved in him not being able to get a job which forced him to go back in not even 3 months after getting out), and has been on countless direct action missions... don't go off what you read on wikipedia or wherever the fuck you get your info... Yes, green berrets train the indigenous population so on and so forth... force multiplier, whatever but thats not all they do. It's funny how DEVGRU took out OBL and now suddenly everyone is blowing loads eveytime they are mentioned and now suddenly all these specwar know-it-alls spring up outta nowhere...
http://www.military.com/news/article/May-2011/sf-trying-to-adjust-army-doctrine.htmlMay 31, 2011
Military.com|by Christian Lowe
FORT BRAGG, N.C. -- During a recent visit to his wife's doctor, Maj. Gen. Bennet Sacolick winced when the physician lamented that it had been SEALs and not Army Special Forces operators who took down terror mastermind Osama bin Laden.
It wasn't the doctors' favoritism toward the Green Berets that irked Sacolick, the chief of the Army Special Warfare Center and School here. Instead it was the civilian doctor's assumption that taking down terrorists is the Special Forces' primary mission.
"It was absolutely so apparent that he had no idea what SF guys do," Sacolick recalled during an interview in his office. "The fact is we're the only force specifically trained and educated to train and work with indigenous forces. Not hunting them down and killing them, but working with them to build partner capacity."
After ten years of post-9/11 conflict, Sacolick is worried the mission of the Special Forces has veered too far toward direction action -- snagging "high value targets" and confronting terrorists and insurgent leaders in lightning raids -- and he's taking it upon himself to steer the commandos back on course.
"I hate analogies like the pointy end of the spear. We're not designed to hunt people down and kill them," Sacolick said. "We have that capability and we have forces that specialize in that. But ultimately what we do that nobody else does is work with our indigenous partner nations."
Probably the CIA operatives, they can play dirtier.Who would win... the SEAL Team 6 or someone in CIA black ops such as Jason Bourne or Jack Bauer status.
We need another episode lol =D
you could always tell them when they entered a secure area that wasn't theirs and they were all named/ID'd as john smith.You could always tell them because they were the ones out of uniform, and when they were in uniform their firearms, and equipment gave them away, I know we didn't have suppressors Of course we almost never knew which branch they were unless they were with us.
You are clearly lying as there would be no DevGru if that was the requirement...Chuck Norris never loses.I have a friend who's a SEAL. Said that he tried out for DevGru but failed because apparently you have to beat Chuck Norris in melee combat as part of the testing, and he failed.
You are clearly lying as there would be no DevGru if that was the requirement...Chuck Norris never loses.
They don't take exams on tactical knowledge, protocols, or rules of engagement in order to enter BUD/S. Most of that training is done after BUD/S when they are placed with a team. Rules of engagement will vary depending on the mission or OP.I have a friend who tried out for the seals. He failed the first question. The scenario was a kill target behind civilians and he stuttered. The correct response was to shoot through the civilian to kill his target.
They don't take exams on tactical knowledge, protocols, or rules of engagement in order to enter BUD/S. Most of that training is done after BUD/S when they are placed with a team. Rules of engagement will vary depending on the mission or OP.
Yeah, I was going to say the same thing.I wish this was FB and I could give you a thumbs up for this... but Thumbs Up...
You WILL NEVERRRRRRRRRR be asked a question like that... ROE changes every mission... EVERY theatre of action... I think your friend lied to you man... NOT everyone is cut out for the seal teams... If you are a decent swimmer, average-in-shape, and Have heart to push through the hard stuff and never give up... then you'll make it... Most people drop out of BUDS cause they can't deal with the stress of sleep deprivation, constant PT, being wet 24-7, and just being plain ole misserable for weeks at a time... THE DEVGRU guys are the best of the best within the teams... Best in shape, best with weapons & tactics, best knowledge... have been recomended by their peers and or senior officials...