Developing~ Sestak Says He was Offered Job To Not Challenge Specters Senate Seat

[pcgeek11]

Well however you want to try and justify it the facts are the facts. It is clear that you are both reading into this more than is spelled out in the law.

We disagree without a doubt.

In the end it doesn't matter what either of our opinions are. The justice system will have its say and that will end the whole thing. I understand how you are upset that your boy is in serious deep Kim Chee along with his right hand man Rahm. Clinton isn't well known for his Honesty either!

Aegeon,

" (But clearly when similar circumstances occurred under Bush and Reagan for instance, no criminal prosecution occurred.) "

How about some specifics on this... Or did you just make it up.

Who was the offer made to?
What Position was offered?
When Date, Month - Year?
What Election was being rigged?

Thanks

 

[theeedude]

Justice system has already had it's say, DOJ declined to appoint a special prosecutor.

 

[ProfJohn]

Justice system has already had it's say, DOJ declined to appoint a special prosecutor.

ummm yea.... the department run by the Obama White House has decided not to investigate the Obama White House. And you are okay with that??

I suppose if Israel came out and said that their actions yesterday were perfectly acceptable and that there was no need to investigate you would accept their answer?

 

[theeedude]

ummm yea.... the department run by the Obama White House has decided not to investigate the Obama White House. And you are okay with that??

Yes, because no laws were broken, as obvious by simply reading the statute. So yeah, I am glad Obama's DOJ can actually read the laws.

As far as Israel, sure, I don't really care, it's not for me to accept or reject their answer. I doubt Turkey will accept it though.

 

[pcgeek11]

Justice system has already had it's say, DOJ declined to appoint a special prosecutor.

Yes, because no laws were broken, as obvious by simply reading the statute. So yeah, I am glad Obama's DOJ can actually read the laws.

The DOJ doesn't end the whole thing. There are many, many ways to skin a cat.

DOJ reading a law that is funny. Why didn't he read the AZ Law before he made an ass of himself on national TV.

You one funny dude.

Title 18, U.S.C. Section 595, which says, “Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States … uses his official authority for the purposes of interfering with, or affecting the nomination of, or the election of any candidate for office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representative…shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.”

The WH stated:

The White House insisted Friday that it broke no laws by asking ex-president Bill Clinton to find out whether a Democratic Senate candidate would quit his race if he was offered a job.

Asking someone to stay out of a race is Freedom of Speech.. Protected by the first amendment..

Offering someone something to stay out of a race is a crime.

2 + 2 = 4

 

[theeedude]

The DOJ doesn't end the whole thing. There are many, many ways to skin a cat.

DOJ reading a law that is funny. Why didn't he read the AZ Law before he made an ass of himself on national TV.

You one funny dude.

Title 18, U.S.C. Section 595, which says, “Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States … uses his official authority for the purposes of interfering with, or affecting the nomination of, or the election of any candidate for office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representative…shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.”

The WH stated:

The White House insisted Friday that it broke no laws by asking ex-president Bill Clinton to find out whether a Democratic Senate candidate would quit his race if he was offered a job.

Asking someone to stay out of a race is Freedom of Speech.. Protected by the first amendment..

Offering someone something to stay out of a race is a crime.

2 + 2 = 4

Really, DOJ doesn't end the whole thing? You are gonna prosecute it yourself?

 

[Aegeon]

" (But clearly when similar circumstances occurred under Bush and Reagan for instance, no criminal prosecution occurred.) "

How about some specifics on this... Or did you just make it up.

Who was the offer made to?
What Position was offered?
When Date, Month - Year?
What Election was being rigged?

Thanks

You can frankly do some of the research on your own rather than accuse me of making it up to be blunt about it. But here are the basic details to get you started.

For instance in 1981 Reagan apparently offered Sen. S.I. Hayakawa paid ambassador or administration posts if he dropped out of the California primary.
http://voices.kansascity.com/node/9169

Strangely enough, there appears to have been no investigation of the matter at all, which fits in with the view that up until now such an action has been viewed as clearly being legal.

The mention of Bush comes from this article.

Mr. Bush’s team looking for a position for Representative Benjamin A. Gilman of New York in 2002 to avoid him challenging another Republican incumbent;

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/us/30memo.html

Clinton also as noted in that article did something similar, but it appears no-one actually attempted to investigate Clinton for that action.

(Why the Ny Times article also cites situations where offers got people in trouble, those were different situations involving either seeking an appointment or possibly trying to get someone appointed, or explicitly offering to outright exchange political support for a Congressional vote.)

 

[her209]

Title 18 U.S.C. Section 600, which says, “Whoever directly or indirectly promises any employment position, compensation, contract, appointment, or other benefit provided for or made possible in whole or in part by any Act of Congress, or any special consideration in obtaining any such benefit, to any person as consideration, in favor, or reward for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection with any general or special election to any political office … shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

This law is so vague, it could be applied to pork barrel spending, a.k.a., vote for my bill if I insert funding for a project in your district.

 

[theeedude]

Since Republicans are so eager to see this law applied, the DOJ should definitely investigate if its applicable to any RNC activities wrt primaries

 

[pcgeek11]

Aegeon,

You brought it up I figured you should put up or shut up. To be Blunt about it. 99% of what you linked to has no meat and is quite different in it presentation than what you lead it to be.

If you read the link from the blog post in the Sen. S.I. Hayakawa newpaper article it stated that it was suggested that Sen. S.I. Hayakawa would be given a job and that he was not directly offered a job.

Big difference IMO.

No meat in the link about Bush....

Th big difference is Sestak stated that he was offered a job in trade for Not running for the primary. This is a promise this for that. That if true as Sestak says in his original statement meets the requirements.

I don't know who is lying but someone is obviously wanking us all off and we need to find out the facts. True I have my belief of who is scamming the system. We all should be concerned enough to find out the facts. As it also looks like there are at least one other allegation of offers to others ... I'm seeing a pattern.

People forget this, but the Sestak allegations are part of a pattern. Before anyone knew about Joe Sestak, Deputy White House Chief of Staff Jim Messina offered Colorado’s Andrew Romanoff, D, an administration job at USAID if he’d drop out of his Senate primary against Sen. Michael Bennet, D. This deal became public thanks to the Denver Post.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...llegations-matter-94758534.html#ixzz0pa8FInwV

 

[pcgeek11]

Since Republicans are so eager to see this law applied, the DOJ should definitely investigate if its applicable to any RNC activities wrt primaries

I never thought I would say it, but if RNC activities warrant an investigation then you are correct.

 

[pcgeek11]

This law is so vague, it could be applied to pork barrel spending, a.k.a., vote for my bill if I insert funding for a project in your district.

They should all be put in jail for this. Pork Barrel spending is the BIGGEST Source of corruption in DC. It should be outlawed period.

 

[werepossum]

The Obama administration's handling of this is merely more evidence that they are not ready for prime time; Chicago politics is not (yet) acceptable to the country at large. I agree that technically a crime has been committed, but as a practical matter I don't see that it is actionable. For that you'd have to have some evidence that proved the job (and no way in hell do I believe it was an unpaid advisory committee position) was offered to make Sestak drop out, as opposed to having the side effect of forcing him to drop out. The WH statement "if offered a job" will be dismissed in court as a misstatement, and none of the principles are going to turn. Join that with the fact that we all know they all do it and you'd never get an indictment, much less a conviction. And thank G-d we don't have the special prosecutor law, else we'd spend a few hundred million and end up convicting someone not even associated with the crime (like Scooter Libby, who admittedly needs some jail time for being a grown man named Scooter) of perjury for no better reason than to preserve the prosecutor's political viability. I think the Pubbies will take a page from the Dems' book and beat this horse until it no longer polls well, then drop it. Taking it further will end up hurting them rather than helping them.

 

[piasabird]

I think congress can also call for a special prosecuting attorney. However, I dont think that will happen either. It is there way of saying Democrats can interfere with the election process all they want. This means elections are not free and open and anyone can pay to be elected if they have enough money and power.

 

[theeedude]

Yes, we should appoint a special attorney who can actually read the statute for the rightwingers too dumb to understand the plain English that says it only applies to general and special elections

 

[nick1985]

And the white house does it again.... Romanoff was offered a job bribe now.

 

[theeedude]

And the white house does it again.... Romanoff was offered a job bribe now.

He was offered a job.

 

[waggy]

And the white house does it again.... Romanoff was offered a job bribe now.

hmm a 2nd one. this is makeing blago look like he might be right when he said the white house was on it.

 

[theeedude]

hmm a 2nd one. this is makeing blago look like he might be right when he said the white house was on it.

So there is more than 1 job in the government. Shocking.

 

[EagleKeeper]

He was offered a job.

Which is illegal if the job offered is for political considerations.

 

[theeedude]

Which is illegal if the job offered is for political considerations.

Not in primary elections. Read the law, general and special elections only.

 

[waggy]

So there is more than 1 job in the government. Shocking.

once is something to look at. two stories? start to wonder. on the 3rd?

yea looks as if blago may been right. pity the judge is refuseing his attorney's the right to subpoena people

 

[theeedude]

once is something to look at. two stories? start to wonder. on the 3rd?

yea looks as if blago may been right. pity the judge is refuseing his attorney's the right to subpoena people

They can have 10 thousand of these stories for all I care. No laws were broken, not a general or special election.

 

[simpletron]

Not in primary elections. Read the law, general and special elections only.

Whoever, directly or indirectly, promises any employment, position, compensation, contract, appointment, or other benefit, provided for or made possible in whole or in part by any Act of Congress, or any special consideration in obtaining any such benefit, to any person as consideration, favor, or reward for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection with any general or special election to any political office, or in connection with any primary election or political convention or caucus held to select candidates for any political office, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/... USC):CITE AND (USC w/10 (600)):CITE

Read the law...

 

[werepossum]

Whoever, directly or indirectly, promises any employment, position, compensation, contract, appointment, or other benefit, provided for or made possible in whole or in part by any Act of Congress, or any special consideration in obtaining any such benefit, to any person as consideration, favor, or reward for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection with any general or special election to any political office, or in connection with any primary election or political convention or caucus held to select candidates for any political office, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/... USC):CITE AND (USC w/10 (600)):CITE

Read the law...

LOL at the repeated ownage! He only has to read until he finds a point with which he agrees.

Still - much as I hate politics as usual, much as I hate Chicago-style politics, much as I hate "everybody does it" as justification for breaking the law, I still can't get too worked up over this.