Developing a budget

Turin39789

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I've been thinking about actually starting up a budget, now that I make more that $100 a week. I've got some old financial planning info from a hs class buried in a box somewhere and wonder if there are any general guidelines on setting up a budget.

I take home about $1600 a month after taxes/401k etc. I want to start saving for travel, making progress on my car restoration, etc. I also have 3 dogs to take care of, and I'm a part time student(about $1600 a semester plus books)

I know every situation is varied, but I want to get an idea of where to start.
 

MrChad

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Get a copy of Quicken or Money and start tracking and categorizing your finances. Figure out where your money is going each month and how you can adjust your lifestyle to save more.

I also recommend picking up The Only Investment Guide You'll Ever Need, which has some excellent no-nonsense advice about saving and investing money.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: MrChad
Get a copy of Quicken or Money and start tracking and categorizing your finances. Figure out where your money is going each month and how you can adjust your lifestyle to save more.

I also recommend picking up The Only Investment Guide You'll Ever Need, which has some excellent no-nonsense advice about saving and investing money.

I have quicken 2006 dont really know how to use it. Is there like a tutorial somewhere?
 

nakedfrog

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I just set up a simple tracking sheet in Excel. Works well enough for me to know what's what.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I just set up a simple tracking sheet in Excel. Works well enough for me to know what's what.

Indeed. Over the last 3-4 years, my Excel spreadsheet Budget has become quite the sophisticated budgetary tool.
 

questro

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I have put things in an excel spreadsheet and then categorized stuff to see what exactly it is I am spending money on. Once you know that, it all comes together.
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I just set up a simple tracking sheet in Excel. Works well enough for me to know what's what.
Same here. It is amazing to just sit back and watch where your money goes. All budgets are personal. No book, website, or program can possibly match your exact situation well. That is why I like Excel. I just make my own headings on what is important to me. Then with every penny I spent, I typed it into Excel. I didn't attempt to control my spending initially, I just wanted to sit back and really, truthfully record where it went. Yes, that meant even a nickel in a parking meter went on the spreadsheet under "vehicle" expense. The results were quite enlightening. Sure most of it wasn't a surprise, but some of it was.

For example, I thought I was wasting a ton of money on gifts for people. Then I found out it was less than 1% of my budget. I could spend double on gifts and still not feel any real effect from it. I became much more generous after that AND I don't have to feel guilty spending that money because in MY budget it is a meaninglessly small amount.

On other things, I decided to make some cuts. Overall, I think my budget is well under control, I'm even on track to pay off my first house in 10 years (0% down payment). All because I know properly where my money is going, where to spend more, and where to spend less.
 

Turin39789

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Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I just set up a simple tracking sheet in Excel. Works well enough for me to know what's what.
Same here. It is amazing to just sit back and watch where your money goes. All budgets are personal. No book, website, or program can possibly match your exact situation well. That is why I like Excel. I just make my own headings on what is important to me. Then with every penny I spent, I typed it into Excel. I didn't attempt to control my spending initially, I just wanted to sit back and really, truthfully record where it went. Yes, that meant even a nickel in a parking meter went on the spreadsheet under "vehicle" expense. The results were quite enlightening. Sure most of it wasn't a surprise, but some of it was.

For example, I thought I was wasting a ton of money on gifts for people. Then I found out it was less than 1% of my budget. I could spend double on gifts and still not feel any real effect from it. I became much more generous after that AND I don't have to feel guilty spending that money because in MY budget it is a meaninglessly small amount.

On other things, I decided to make some cuts. Overall, I think my budget is well under control, I'm even on track to pay off my first house in 10 years (0% down payment). All because I know properly where my money is going, where to spend more, and where to spend less.


This sounds like what I will probably be trying to do. Hardest part will just be tracking all the small purchases that I probably need to be cutting out anyway.

Any chance you could describe how your spreadsheet is laid out? Are you tracking expenses with a description like a glorified ledger and then using the totals to monitor where the money is going and then setting limits?

I'm starting to worry that I'm making too many changes right now. All of them making me more boring. I'm trying to save money, lose weight/exercise, im going back to school, trying to quit smoking, trying to cut back on drinking.

 

Turin39789

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my concern is that this is going to be a lot of data after a few months, and I want to make sure I keep it in an organized/usable manner
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: Turin39789
This sounds like what I will probably be trying to do. Hardest part will just be tracking all the small purchases that I probably need to be cutting out anyway.

Any chance you could describe how your spreadsheet is laid out? Are you tracking expenses with a description like a glorified ledger and then using the totals to monitor where the money is going and then setting limits?

I'm starting to worry that I'm making too many changes right now. All of them making me more boring. I'm trying to save money, lose weight/exercise, im going back to school, trying to quit smoking, trying to cut back on drinking.

my concern is that this is going to be a lot of data after a few months, and I want to make sure I keep it in an organized/usable manner
My spreadsheet has morphed significantly over the years. It morphed to meet my needs and my odd fascination with numbers. Thus, it is difficult to describe what it is now and why it is in that state. But I started off by listing what I think are important categories. I did things like: rent, insurance, utilities, food, restaurant food, entertainment, travel, vehicles, school, gifts, clothing, taxes, and miscellaneous. Over time, I subdivided some of those categories to get more detailed information. Your particular categories may be different.

Then I put at the top of columns each of the headings. Under that heading, I just typed in the cost of each purchase I made. It takes about 30 seconds/day to do it. The only time it took me more was when I went to the grocery store and bought food / gifts / miscellaneous all in one purchase and had to separate the costs. Otherwise, I just took the receipts out of my pocket and typed away. Then at the top of each column, I had it all added up for each column. I also converted that amount into a monthly spending amount, so I knew on average what I spent each month in each category.

Track that for a year and you'll know very well what your real costs are (because your utility bills take a year to factor in all seasons, your gift bills take a year to factor in all holidays, etc). However, even after just a month, you should be quite close to your current spending.

I took each monthly category and found out what the percentage of my total income was. That way I knew I spent way too much on restaurant food, yet way too little on entertainment and gifts. By cutting back a tiny bit on restaurants, I could double my entertainment spending and double my gift spending and still be spending less in total.

After that it morphed into a massive spreadsheet because I'm fascinated with numbers. I have my checking account balance (to the day) predicted for many years out, including inflation of utilites (damn the cable bill inflation rate is insane), etc. I'm actually excited to get a bill so I can type it in and see how the trends change. I definately wouldn't recommend anything that fancy to others though.

To keep your information organized, just keep the number of categories small. Don't track information for too long either. Once a month, total up your spending that month, and write down October's spending in each category. Then you can delete all the individual spending amounts for the month of October. That keeps your total data down to ~1 page.

You don't have to be as fancy as I am with my budget. But I don't know how anyone can realistically make a budget if they don't know how they spend to begin with. A spreadsheet lets you (a) develop a budget that is just an attempt to slightly tweak your acutal spending for the better and (b) know if you are sticking to that budget.
 

Bateluer

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I just set up a simple tracking sheet in Excel. Works well enough for me to know what's what.

Thats what I do to, only simpler.

Track how much you make, what your total bills are, and what bills need to be paid when and whether or not you've paid them.
 

Slew Foot

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Ive never understood how people get themselves into so much debt. Since the day I started making money, I alwyas put at least 10% stocked away in investments (usually 30-50%) and lived off the rest. Oh well.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Ive never understood how people get themselves into so much debt. Since the day I started making money, I alwyas put at least 10% stocked away in investments (usually 30-50%) and lived off the rest. Oh well.

:cookie: ?
 

Dunbar

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: MrChad
I have quicken 2006 dont really know how to use it. Is there like a tutorial somewhere?

I wouldn't think someone on AT would need a tutorial, just start using it, it is self-explanatory. I have mine set up to download all transactions from my bank and credit cards and I categaorize each transaction. Spend 10 minutes every week or two doing, than set up a report to see where your money is going. If you are a big cash spender though you'll need to spend the time to "split" each cash withrdawl into smaller spending categories. I am too lazy to do this so I charge almost everything which makes categorizing easier.

BTW, with MS Money or Quicken I cannot imagine manually doing this in Excel, it seems like a huge waste of time. Than again, I have three credit cards and have a fair amount of business expenses that I track separately.
 

badmouse

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If you're not an accounting freak, just start with some simple categories. Food, entertainment, car, other. Very very quickly you will notice that some categories have way more entries than others, so you add categories.

Find a time (before logging onto ATOT, perhaps?) when you can get into the habit of jotting down everything you've spent. Every day. If you don't do it regularly, it isn't as helpful.

An alternate classic way to make a budget is to take all your income, separate it into envelopes marked "savings", "food", "car", etc and use only that much until the next income comes in. You'll never go over budget. You'll quickly get a sense of how long you need to save up to pay for new brakes when you haven't included that in the envelope, for example.

Congrats on budgeting, and keep trying different things until you find what matches your temperment and what you find easy and fun to do.

 

vi edit

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Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Ive never understood how people get themselves into so much debt. Since the day I started making money, I alwyas put at least 10% stocked away in investments (usually 30-50%) and lived off the rest. Oh well.

Given your profession, you are probably making about 10x (if not more) than the average person.

That gives you plenty of room to spend AND save.