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Detroit set to oust Martz, name Brown O-coordinator

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wyvrn

Lifer
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3173002

Bout damn time! This guy is the worse offensive coordinator in the NFL this year. He had Williams and Johnson, and ignore them most of the 2nd half of the season. He quit on the run in several games. He needs to be shunned from the NFL. His game wouldn't work in college, but I hear there are a lot of highschools hiring.
 
out of curiosity, did martz or vermeil build the vaunted 'greatest show on turf'-style offense?

seems martz's offenses, while good, haven't been as lethal as when vermeil was around.
 
With the record for lowest number of rushes in a game as 6, it's hard to believe Detroit had three games of 7, 8, and 9 rushes.

Local media gets all over the team and then Martz rushes like 40 times the next week. Media gets all over the offense abandoning Calvin Johnson and all he does is force feed him the ball.

Is this calling plays to win the game or to spite the media?


That being said, Kitna is a interception machine. The O-line sucks. The D-line sucks in proportion to Roger's girth. The DB's are young and are low draft picks, from a GM I wouldn't let mow my lawn.

 
Originally posted by: Shortcut
out of curiosity, did martz or vermeil build the vaunted 'greatest show on turf'-style offense?

seems martz's offenses, while good, haven't been as lethal as when vermeil was around.
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Vermeil was called into Shaw's office and told to run Martz's offense, or he was fired. Martz made that team. Vermeil wanted to sign Hostettler after Green got hurt, Martz told the front office if someone other than Warner was given the job, he was going to quit. The Colts gave up on Faulk. Vermeil didn't even want him, and badmouthed the trade afterward. Martz made him a HOFer. If the officials call any of the 12 holding calls the NFL apologized to the Rams about with McGinest holding Faulk, the "GSOT" has another Super Bowl win.

Most Points, NFL, 1999-2005:

* 2. STL Rams
27. DET Lions

* Rams averaged 26.9 pts; Indy was first at 27.0 points -- in other words, a virtual tie.


Most Points, NFL, 2006-2007:

15. DET Lions
20. STL Rams

Let's see.... one team goes from 2nd to 20th after a certain coach leaves.... and the team that the coach joins improves from 27th to 15th.


Those that doubt what he brings to an offense are fools, easily confused by the 70 year old writer who thinks that players don't need helmets. They started 6-2 by flinging it. The media hates passing. When the Pats lose after only running for 12 yards in the playoffs I promise it will be brought up "If only they ran it better." BS. This isn't 1968 anymore. The rules are set up to pass it. If you can't, you lose. Ask the Vikings. Best running team this year, by an UNPRECEDENTED margin, and 2nd best against the run. Where are they playing next week? Nowhere.
 
Originally posted by: wyvrn
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3173002

Bout damn time! This guy is the worse offensive coordinator in the NFL this year. He had Williams and Johnson, and ignore them most of the 2nd half of the season. He quit on the run in several games. He needs to be shunned from the NFL. His game wouldn't work in college, but I hear there are a lot of highschools hiring.
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this has to be the most uneducated post I have ever seen. You've gone from 27th to 15th in points scored since he showed up. How did he hurt you again? Millen needs to go. Period. It's like an IQ test. Everyone who blames Martz fails.
 
Originally posted by: golfercraig
Originally posted by: wyvrn
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3173002

Bout damn time! This guy is the worse offensive coordinator in the NFL this year. He had Williams and Johnson, and ignore them most of the 2nd half of the season. He quit on the run in several games. He needs to be shunned from the NFL. His game wouldn't work in college, but I hear there are a lot of highschools hiring.
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this has to be the most uneducated post I have ever seen. You've gone from 27th to 15th in points scored since he showed up. How did he hurt you again? Millen needs to go. Period. It's like an IQ test. Everyone who blames Martz fails.
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There's only one way to go when you're almost dead last...UP. It's a rebuilding team and they've improved their offense via the draft and trades.
 
they had drafts and trades before he got there. How did they work out? How many catched did Charles ogers have in the NFL this year? Millen is the problem. Not Martz. Here are your skill position players...Kitna, Kevin Jones, Mike Furrey, C. Johnson, R. Williams. Johnson was lazy this year, and inconsistent, like ALL rookie WR's. He will be good. Williams is good. Kitna? K. Jones? Furrey? Seriously, Lions fans should be happy they won 4 games. Their roster is horrible. Half of their starters have no business starting in the league. Millen must go. They've been rebuilding for a decade in a league that takes 2 years to rebuild. Who is the problem again?

31-81 the last 7 years. More than 1/4 of the wins this year. Martz is the problem??? you guys are crazy.
 
Originally posted by: golfercraig
they had drafts and trades before he got there. How did they work out? How many catched did Charles ogers have in the NFL this year? Millen is the problem. Not Martz. Here are your skill position players...Kitna, Kevin Jones, Mike Furrey, C. Johnson, R. Williams. Johnson was lazy this year, and inconsistent, like ALL rookie WR's. He will be good. Williams is good. Kitna? K. Jones? Furrey? Seriously, Lions fans should be happy they won 4 games. Their roster is horrible. Half of their starters have no business starting in the league. Millen must go. They've been rebuilding for a decade in a league that takes 2 years to rebuild. Who is the problem again?

31-81 the last 7 years. More than 1/4 of the wins this year. Martz is the problem??? you guys are crazy.
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Detroit is actually ranked 19th in overall offense. NOT 15th.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/...nfl&season=2&year=2007

Thanks for proving my point.

Kitna - 2006
Jones - 2004
Johnson - 2007
Williams - 2004
Furrey - 2006

All of those players are new to the team and have helped the offense become better than it has over the past two years.

Head Coach - Marinelli (2006 hire)

"The 2007 season started off well for the Lions as they roared to a 6-2 start, with credit being given to Marinelli's "Pound the Rock" approach."

Rather than trying to be an all knowing dipshit, look at the ENTIRE picture. It's not Martz. He may or may not be a good OC, but there have been MANY changes in the Lions organization over the past 2-3 years that have helped the team.

Not to mention, if you're going to give Martz all the credit:

The Lions, 7-8 going into Sunday's road game, rank near the bottom in several key offensive statistical categories, including rushing and interceptions. They have lost six of their last seven games. The Lions have more interceptions (20) than passing touchdowns (18), a major reason they are in third place in the NFC North.

You're right, they're near the bottom because of Martz and have thrown more INT's than TD's. It's all Martz.
 
Originally posted by: golfercraig
Originally posted by: Shortcut
out of curiosity, did martz or vermeil build the vaunted 'greatest show on turf'-style offense?

seems martz's offenses, while good, haven't been as lethal as when vermeil was around.
Click to expand...

Vermeil was called into Shaw's office and told to run Martz's offense, or he was fired. Martz made that team. Vermeil wanted to sign Hostettler after Green got hurt, Martz told the front office if someone other than Warner was given the job, he was going to quit. The Colts gave up on Faulk. Vermeil didn't even want him, and badmouthed the trade afterward. Martz made him a HOFer. If the officials call any of the 12 holding calls the NFL apologized to the Rams about with McGinest holding Faulk, the "GSOT" has another Super Bowl win.

Most Points, NFL, 1999-2005:

* 2. STL Rams
27. DET Lions

* Rams averaged 26.9 pts; Indy was first at 27.0 points -- in other words, a virtual tie.


Most Points, NFL, 2006-2007:

15. DET Lions
20. STL Rams

Let's see.... one team goes from 2nd to 20th after a certain coach leaves.... and the team that the coach joins improves from 27th to 15th.


Those that doubt what he brings to an offense are fools, easily confused by the 70 year old writer who thinks that players don't need helmets. They started 6-2 by flinging it. The media hates passing. When the Pats lose after only running for 12 yards in the playoffs I promise it will be brought up "If only they ran it better." BS. This isn't 1968 anymore. The rules are set up to pass it. If you can't, you lose. Ask the Vikings. Best running team this year, by an UNPRECEDENTED margin, and 2nd best against the run. Where are they playing next week? Nowhere.
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Martz could not carry Vermeil's jockstrap.
 
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