Detonator 50 - First look at Gamers Depot

bjc112

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nVidia needs to get it together. Even though the image quality isn't THAT different, never the less, it's lower.
 

bjc112

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
If it was as simple as adjusting gamma correction (as many are claiming), don't you think these review sites would say so???

Instead, they say things like,

the overall image on both Halo pictures is that NVIDIA produces far less vivid imagery

Oh it's definitely not a gamma issue, like Nebor said " Turn up the brightness and what not" that's just not cutting it.

Ati is currently holding the lead, and are only going to increase it with the next chip even further.
 

GTaudiophile

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Damn, it's nice to have an ATi fanboi as a reviewer for ONCE:

To us, the choice for which graphics card is quite clear. Do you want to buy a video card that uses DX9 ?Smoke and mirrors? to emulate performance, or one that provides best-of-class performance and image quality in one package. You?d truly have to be a NVIDIA fan-boy to buy one of their cards given the current state of affairs.

It's in our opinion that both end-users and OEM's out there should be highly cautioned into buying any of NVIDIA's current hardware under the assumption that it'll offer the best gaming experience for DirectX9-class games. Until NV40 rolls out, it appears for now that NVIDIA will be sitting on the side-lines.


ROFL!
 

DaveSimmons

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Even with the (ahem) shady new optimizations the nV perofrmance is still second rate.

d'oh! I don't want an ATI (I've liked all my nV cards up to now) but my next card is looking more and more like a 9800 pro.
 

Adul

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Even with the (ahem) shady new optimizations the nV perofrmance is still second rate.

d'oh! I don't want an ATI (I've liked all my nV cards up to now) but my next card is looking more and more like a 9800 pro.

or 9800xt :D
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: Adul
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Even with the (ahem) shady new optimizations the nV perofrmance is still second rate.

d'oh! I don't want an ATI (I've liked all my nV cards up to now) but my next card is looking more and more like a 9800 pro.

or 9800xt :D

What's the deal with 9800XT? Is it yet ANOTHER R300/R350 rehash?
 

GTaudiophile

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At the least, R360 (and RV360) will be higher-clocked versions of R350/RV350 with even fancier memory. But those "in the know" over at Rage3D say that R360/RV360 will have some additional core tweaks. We should find out very soon...
 

NFS4

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http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/S&V/aquamark3_gffx5900u_r9800pro.shtml
The first thing you'll notice in these shots, is how much more vivid the ATi based shots are. Frankly, we have no idea why this is. Gamma settings in the benchmark or driver control panels, couldn't compensate for the darker and more washed out NVIDIA images. If we turned up the gamma, versus leaving it set to the identical position as we had for the Radeon 9800 Pro, the images would get brighter but even more washed out looking. Beyond that, we'll let these images speak for themselves. You can decide which you like better. However, our humble opinion is that the ATi AF shots are more detailed than the NVIDIA shots, regardless of color saturation. Would you notice this in fast action game play? Maybe, Maybe not but when you consider that image quality should be taken into consideration when viewing benchmark scores, the differences in the output results of these two cards, should also be taken into account as well.

OWNED
 

Sunny129

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Originally posted by: Adul
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Even with the (ahem) shady new optimizations the nV perofrmance is still second rate.

d'oh! I don't want an ATI (I've liked all my nV cards up to now) but my next card is looking more and more like a 9800 pro.

or 9800xt :D

if you have a fat wallet...i know i don't in my current state:(
 

OzzieGT

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NVIDIA's Det50's don't quite grab the high-needed performance boost we had hoped for - granted they still have some time to improve upon them. However, we can now conclude as to why NVIDIA wanted Valve to use these in the recent testing we did in Half-Life 2 - they make the image quality look like crap as a way to boost performance.

Just looking at the blurriness of those Tomb Raider shots sickens me.
 

ndee

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Wow, Nvidia is getting raped on all sites huh? I think that is enough that most of the enthusiasts have made their decision to go the ATI way hm? And that all happend in the last 48hrs approx..... wow.
 

beatle

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So frustrating. While I don't have a new nVidia card, I wished things were closer for the sake of competition. Graphics cards prices are higher than they've ever been, but my income hasn't compensated! :| Less competition means fewer price drops.
 

Mem

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It`s about what I expected,you can improve frame rates big time but you`ve to cut corners,the trick is to improve frame rates and maintain image quality,the gap between ATi and Nvidia was just too big for the drivers to do all the work on its own.

Nvidia should know by now that image quality in drivers does count as much as performance or even more.

Bottom line is with ATi right now you are getting both image quality and performance.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: ndee
Wow, Nvidia is getting raped on all sites huh? I think that is enough that most of the enthusiasts have made their decision to go the ATI way hm? And that all happend in the last 48hrs approx..... wow.
Actually it's been a very slow CONVERSION ever since the 9700 Pro was released (as I predicted when the 8500 came out).
(nVidia has almost run out of "true" nVidiots - even adjusting their gamma wont change anything except to make them look more "washed-out")

:)

 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
If it was as simple as adjusting gamma correction (as many are claiming), don't you think these review sites would say so???

Instead, they say things like,

the overall image on both Halo pictures is that NVIDIA produces far less vivid imagery

nVidia's image looks totally and simply washed out by comparison!
(Look at Laura's shadow too.)

this is the first screen i've looked at... the nvidia picture doesn't look sharp at all. its like they've just turned off filtering
 

OzzieGT

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You know after that huge thread a few days ago I was really expecting some nVidia fanboys to chime in...

Oh wait, they must still be in school. :p
 

OzzieGT

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this is the first screen i've looked at... the nvidia picture doesn't look sharp at all. its like they've just turned off filtering
Actually if you look closely, Lara is perfectly sharp, only the textures on the walls and stuff are blurry....well, her arm is...that's weird.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: OzzieGT
You know after that huge thread a few days ago I was really expecting some nVidia fanboys to chime in...

Oh wait, they must still be in school. :p
You wouldn't know it by their "comprehension" skills. :p

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ElFenix

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Originally posted by: OzzieGT
this is the first screen i've looked at... the nvidia picture doesn't look sharp at all. its like they've just turned off filtering
Actually if you look closely, Lara is perfectly sharp, only the textures on the walls and stuff are blurry....well, her arm is...that's weird.

you didn't look at her pants did you? its like i've got a contact in wrong or something
 

lchyi

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I love nVidia my Ti4400 and all, but it looks like the smarter consumer should lean into ATI's cards now. I don't think it's just these new DX9 games that ATI's beating nVidia on. I started getting the impression that nVidia couldn't keep up after missing the product cycle with it's NV30-35. In the rush, I think they started skimping on DX9 and started focusing frames at the sake of quality images. Just my opinion though, it usually takes time to develop quality pieces of hardware, take your time for the next one nVidia...
 

dmw16

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Man...Im sure glad i jumped off the nvidia ship. That looks really bad...
-doug