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shady28 said:
Biggest thing I see a problem with is the last one. Capital gains tax being lower encourages capital investment. It's a double edge sword.

As far as the healthcare cost thing, it's a savings for the vast majority, might be a slight burden on the top 5%.
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Single income or household though, to me there is a big difference between two folks both having to work together to make 250K vs 1 single 250K earner....if its the latter in that individual is over 250K then I'd agree, not much of an impact, but if its household income then that sucks.

And again who is to say companies will take the money they are paying for health plans and transfer that back to employees, I could see companies just keeping that using the claim that it is going to the new government fees meaning employee salaries stay the same but now they have to pay more in taxes...for those with high deductible plans then sure, but for others with good plans they may lose out.
 
bozack said:
What so many fail to realize is that when this happens it means we will no longer see companies working on specialized treatments for rare disorders...why waste the money and resources when you know you're not going to get much of a return on it.
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depends on how specialized we're talking.

the latest and greatest drugs for crohn's disease (also used for arthritis among other things) generate annual revenues of almost $10B globally.

i'd say that's a pretty fair ROI. i think the typical cost of development of a drug is on the order of $2.5B. so around 4x ROI in 1 year.
 
Fenixgoon said:
depends on how specialized we're talking.

the latest and greatest drugs for crohn's disease (also used for arthritis among other things) generate annual revenues of almost $10B globally.

i'd say that's a pretty fair ROI. i think the typical cost of development of a drug is on the order of $2.5B. so around 4x ROI in 1 year.
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I am talking about the very specialized drugs, often referred to as orphan drugs, which have exceptionally limited applications and very small target groups.
 
My children wouldn't be subject to socialists and communists, telling them how their life is better if they "submit."

-John
 
Zorkorist said:
I would have roughly $500,000 in taxes I have paid.

-John
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Uh no. If we had zero debt we would still have taxes. If you are an anarchist then I did it incredibly odd you would cite what this country was founded in because it certainly wasn't founded on a democratic Republic with no government. If that's truly what you want then you should probably visit and live in one of the many countries that are a hell hole who essentially have no government.
 
Zorkorist said:
I could make ketchup, without a license.
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Now you are just being a fucking idiot. You can certainly make katchup now. If you mean so you could sell it, well, you'll have to convince the majority of Americans who think ensuring our health and safety of things that we eat should be something government does.

Sorry, I don't want your katchup made with jizz. You are still free to f tomatoes though.
 
ivwshane said:
Now you are just being a fucking idiot. You can certainly make katchup now. If you mean so you could sell it, well, you'll have to convince the majority of Americans who think ensuring our health and safety of things that we eat should be something government does.

Sorry, I don't want your katchup made with jizz. You are still free to f tomatoes though.
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There you go... bitch like you deciding whether or not I can sell ketchup.

-John
 
Zorkorist said:
My children wouldn't be subject to socialists and communists, telling them how their life is better if they "submit."

-John
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You've gone full retard. Freedom of speech, which I assume you think is important and should be something people have doesn't mean you are free to tell people to say things you don't want to hear.

But hey, you can have exactly what you want now, just go dig a hole and shut yourself out from the world. You can start by getting off the Internet the government helped create and build.
 
It's pretty sure Government people like you are jizzing on everyone.

This is why Government has to be limited.

-John
 
Zorkorist said:
It's pretty sure Government people like you are jizzing on everyone.

This is why Government has to be limited.

-John
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So you don't want to buy and eat my ketchup? I promise there won't be any jizz in it. There maybe rat poison but as a free market anti government type like yourself, I'm sure you wouldn't mind being the guy that might die from it because, eventually people will stop buying my ketchup, right?

I bet you have been going to chipotle much more frequently too right? You know, to show support for a company that isn't following those damn government regulations. Right?
 
LOL, you gonna bring Chipotle as a success story?

Cause you understand it made people sick, and theoretically they were regulated.

-John
 
Zorkorist said:
LOL, you gonna bring Chipotle as a success story?

Cause you understand it made people sick, and theoretically they were regulated.

-John
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So you think less regulation would have made the results better? You think less regulation would lead to less cases of samonila? Lol! You are a moron! Like I said, your ideology has made you blind to flaws in your thinking.
 
Zorkorist said:
Your regulation is 18 trillion in debt.

Yea, I don't wan't that.

-John
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Yeah we know, because some how not having debt means you won't have to pay taxes and you will be able to sell unregulated ketchup.

Thanks for showing everyone, once again, just how incredibly stupid you are.
 
bozack said:
other countries citizens are used to government services and no choice...Americans have had the luxury of personal freedom...only recently does it seem the majority prefers to have things taken care of for them though it will be interesting to see how well they deal with little to no options...as after all that is what single payer means, you get what you get and you don't get upset.
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They have the ultimate Choice, whether to see a Doctor or not without worry of Financial consequences or getting dicked around by an Insurance provider.
 
Universal Health Care is a pure socialist/communist play that steals from those that have to pay for those that have not.

-John
 
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