Destitute and desperate, Icelanders opt for exile

yllus

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If you were wondering what the results were to the thread "98.2% of Icelanders reject bank bailout that'd equal a 25% paycut for next 8 years", here is the apparent answer. It isn't pretty.

Edit: I should add that the position Iceland is in is not due to rejecting a deal to bail out their banks - they were screwed at that point anyways.

Destitute and desperate, Icelanders opt for exile

MOSFELLSBAER, Iceland (AFP) – Anna Margret Bjoernsdottir never thought she would be forced to leave her once wealthy homeland, but after 18 months of economic upheaval she has decided to join the biggest emigration wave from Iceland in more than a century.

"I just don't see any future here. There isn't going to be any future in this country for the next 20 years, everything is going backwards," lamented the 46-year-old single mother, who plans to move to Norway in June.

The former real estate agent who lost her job when Iceland's housing market disintegrated two years ago said she feared she could soon be forced out of her large house in Mosfellsbaer, some 15 kilometres (nine miles) from Reykjavik.

"I don't want to sell it," she said, vowing to "fight to keep" the comfortable wooden dwelling she, her daughter Olavia, their cat Isolde Tinna and their dog Candit the Bandit have called home since 2004.

Bjoernsdottir is not alone in planning to leave Iceland's economic mess behind and seek a new future abroad. Most people in Reykjavik have someone in their surroundings who has already packed their bags and left.

Emigration has rapidly picked up speed since the Atlantic island nation's economy crumbled in late 2008, dragged down by the collapse of its major banks. Last year it marked the largest exodus from the country since 1887.

In 2009, more than 10,600 people left the country of fewer than 320,000 inhabitants, according to official statistics, with 4,835 more people moving away than immigrating.

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But the current government is now under fire over a deal to pay out massive compensation to Britain and the Netherlands for costs incurred following the fall of the online bank Icesave in October 2008.

Iceland has agreed to pay out 3.9 billion euros (5.3 billion dollars) to compensate for money the two countries paid out to 340,000 of their citizens hit by the bank's collapse.

"I had great hopes when the left-wing government was elected, that they would do something against corruption and the abusive loans, but all they do is talk about Icesave," Einarsson said.

In a March 6 referendum, more than 93 percent of Icelandic voters rejected a deal to repay Britain and the Netherlands at a high interest rate. Reykjavik has since said it will try to secure a more favourable agreement.

Bjoernsdottir was among those who voted down the deal -- and says the debacle strengthened her determination to leave Iceland.

"I don't want my daughter to have to pay for this," she said. "I just have such a bad feeling about what's happening here."
 
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Hacp

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Why is the government paying for private mistakes? Let the banks fail. Go into default. Start afresh.
 

PJABBER

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Many young people in Iceland would like to go where there is more economic opportunity. After all, it is a small island and with the economy in collapse there isn't much happening. Used to be a hopping place for a few years as they lived in a bubble, though.

I am in Reykjavik at least a couple of times a year on business and have been looking at picking up a residence but the property market is still priced relatively high.

Stay tuned for some additional equivalent devaluations here in the States. With the interest rates in the US starting to jump because of Obamanomics, housing prices here in the U.S. are due for another substantial decline.
 

drebo

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Why is the government paying for private mistakes? Let the banks fail. Go into default. Start afresh.

What happened, as I understand it, is that the Iceland government DIDN'T pay out to save Icesave. The Brittish and Norway governments did, and are now demanding that Iceland compensate them.

IMO, Iceland should tell Britain and Norway to go fuck themselves.
 

CrackRabbit

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What happened, as I understand it, is that the Iceland government DIDN'T pay out to save Icesave. The Brittish and Norway governments did, and are now demanding that Iceland compensate them.

IMO, Iceland should tell Britain and Norway to go fuck themselves.

It gets more complicated in that Iceland wants to join the EU. Without the votes of the UK and the Netherlands (not Norway) they don't get in.
They were pretty much screwed any way you look at it.
 

shortylickens

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So I was wrong, Icelanders are not so proud after all. They'd rather abandon their country than stick it out.
So much has changed there in the past 7 years.
 

Moonbeam

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So I was wrong, Icelanders are not so proud after all. They'd rather abandon their country than stick it out.
So much has changed there in the past 7 years.

The only thing that's changed is that you didn't know what you were talking about then and your new opinion is probably probably wrong now.
 

Brovane

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Many young people in Iceland would like to go where there is more economic opportunity. After all, it is a small island and with the economy in collapse there isn't much happening. Used to be a hopping place for a few years as they lived in a bubble, though.

I am in Reykjavik at least a couple of times a year on business and have been looking at picking up a residence but the property market is still priced relatively high.

Stay tuned for some additional equivalent devaluations here in the States. With the interest rates in the US starting to jump because of Obamanomics, housing prices here in the U.S. are due for another substantial decline.

Why are interest rates jumping because of Obamanomics? The interests rates have been kept fairly low by the Fed. Now that the Fed is backing off the interest rates are going to go up, not because of some mysterious Obamanomics.
 

PJABBER

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Why are interest rates jumping because of Obamanomics? The interests rates have been kept fairly low by the Fed. Now that the Fed is backing off the interest rates are going to go up, not because of some mysterious Obamanomics.

The pressure is coming from the Treasury auctions.
 

RaistlinZ

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The pressure is coming from the Treasury auctions.

Intelligent people understand this, and how markets work. Tea Baggers like PJABBER only know how to spew talking points without anything to back up their claims.
 

bfdd

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Many young people in Iceland would like to go where there is more economic opportunity. After all, it is a small island and with the economy in collapse there isn't much happening. Used to be a hopping place for a few years as they lived in a bubble, though.

I am in Reykjavik at least a couple of times a year on business and have been looking at picking up a residence but the property market is still priced relatively high.

Stay tuned for some additional equivalent devaluations here in the States. With the interest rates in the US starting to jump because of Obamanomics, housing prices here in the U.S. are due for another substantial decline.

for a country literally collapsing their housing costs are so fucking insane. goddamn Southern California beach city prices and shit from 2006.
 

StageLeft

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who plans to move to Norway in June.
GEEZE. If you're gonna move from Iceland, move somewhere a little further damn South!

All those people leaving a small, cold island, it's like Newfoundland, Canada.

I'd certainly move. I see no problem abandoning your country if your family is markedly worse off to stay there than moving. Family > Country. The end.
 

CPA

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They better get to where they're going fast, otherwise the Greeks will be them to the spot.
 

MJinZ

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Why is the government paying for private mistakes? Let the banks fail. Go into default. Start afresh.

That's when you know the private has failed the people - when the people has to rely on the private for life and blood.
 

CrackRabbit

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GEEZE. If you're gonna move from Iceland, move somewhere a little further damn South!

All those people leaving a small, cold island, it's like Newfoundland, Canada.

I'd certainly move. I see no problem abandoning your country if your family is markedly worse off to stay there than moving. Family > Country. The end.

Maybe she's just pining for the fjords?
 

TruePaige

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They should come to the USA.

These people have an easy time learning English, are good looking, and tall.

Net win. Send a carrier and pack them on.
 

Jhhnn

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Heh. Iceland's population declined by ~1.5%...

This isn't some sort of major exodus...
 

Infohawk

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They should come to the USA.

These people have an easy time learning English, are good looking, and tall.

Net win. Send a carrier and pack them on.

Why would they want to come here? Many Scandinavians consider the US to be a uncivilized hell-hole.

But I'm thinking these Icelanders do deserve some criticism. Doesn't the US government have FDIC for borrowers from ALL countries? I don't think you have to be American to have your deposit insured, but correct me if I'm wrong. Why does Iceland not want to reciprocate what most other countries do for their banks?

Don't get me wrong though, going forward perhaps all governments should stop guaranteeing banking accounts. It's just a little ridiculous for Iceland to have pretended it was a legit government during good times and now acts like it doesn't have to do what all other governments do.
 

CanOWorms

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Seems like a good country to start sending refugees to. It's developed, there is infrastructure to support a larger population, and the population is declining. There's no point in letting it waste away. It can be a model for the rest of Europe.
 

PJABBER

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Seems like a good country to start sending refugees to. It's developed, there is infrastructure to support a larger population, and the population is declining. There's no point in letting it waste away. It can be a model for the rest of Europe.

Actually that is not a bad idea. Look at what a hell hole Palestine was and how productive the Israelis made it.

Why don't we buy off the Icelandic debt, move all of the Icelandic people to the Middle East as Israel's new neighbors (New Iceland?) and move all of the Palestinians to Iceland (New Palestine)???

Both problems solved and it will be a lot cheaper than a new Mid-East war!

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