Desktop Trinity benchmarks are up.

Discussion in 'CPUs and Overclocking' started by grimpr, Jun 14, 2012.

  1. Abwx

    Abwx Diamond Member

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    The dual core has more TDP headroom for a single or lightly threaded
    task , hence the lower time thanks to higher turbo frequency.
     
  2. Kalessian

    Kalessian Senior member

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    Pretty good assessment, yes sadly i can foresee oc'ed vishera might still lose to oc'ed x6 thuban in heavy fp workloads that are not avx-aware.
     
  3. Haserath

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    How about instead we look at these two:sneaky::
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-a8-5600k-a6-5400k,3224-13.html
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    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8150-zambezi-bulldozer-990fx,3043-17.html
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    It's really weird that the 5400k can only turbo up to the base clock of the 5800k, but the 5400k still wins.
     
  4. ttechf

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    I was waiting for benches like this to come out because I'm wondering if I should go AMD Trinity or Intel i5 2500k for my first system build? : )
     
  5. pelov

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    Getting mighty close to high settings playable at 1080p with no discrete card.

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    1 more generation and I think we might see the end of all GPUs under $100 for good. 1080p at 30FPS + and high settings? Yesplz :D

    I think I might be close to tossing my desktop in favor of a small APU HTPC. It looks like I may get my wish in 2013. Couple that with a nice Asus tablet and dock and I'm all set
     
  6. Homeles

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    From this:
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    Keep watching your Faux News, kid. And your math is atrocious.
     
  7. Kalessian

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    Cool, thanks. My 1:25 was close :p

    Edit: Yeah it is weird that the 5400k does 1:25 yet in the 3.8 no turbo test trinity only does 1:31...
     
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  8. KompuKare

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    +1. The irony is the reviewer did leave this reply in the comments:

    "Don't worry--I'm working on the data right now. As it stood, this story took more than a week of all day/all night testing, troubleshooting, new BIOS installing, and re-testing to nail down. It can go on indefinitely if you let it ;-)"

    Ok, previewing pre-lease hardware with flaky BIOSes cannot be nice but don't Tom's have a database of tests they keep so they can at least include some other CPUs or does each reviewer start from stratch. And that power usage chart is interesting but totally unreadable...
     
  9. ShintaiDK

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    Yep, remember the Bulldozer hotfixes? Looks to be the same case essentially. Less cores, less jumping. Also why the 5400K wins.

    A new run with all but one module disabled on the FX8150, 5800K, 5600K and 5400K would be interesting to test if thats the case.

    If Toms had done any multithreaded tests we might have seen it too.
     
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  10. grimpr

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    Remember, an 8 threaded BD/PD has 4 Floating Point Units compared to Thubans 6, an 4 threaded Trinity A10 has 2 Floating Point Units compared to Llanos 4.

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  11. Nemesis 1

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    Ya kid. So you say 15% based on 1 benchmark. Its how we do it for intel is we take the average after throwing the high and lows out . So when AT does his review based only on the same programs that AT did in the IVB review and removing the high and low than your average is what AT . Thats at the same clock as last generation . or its not just IPC members call the ipc increase.
     
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  12. pelov

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    Yea... that's stupid. It's the most disappointing part of the CMT approach, I think. And nobody should be forced into buying a crappy operating system, win8, in order to reap the full benefits of the new scheduler that handles their architecture better.

    Or you can go Linux :D
     
  13. Homeles

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    When you have acceptable English and grammatical skills, you can attempt to have an argument with me. Until then, you are not remotely worth any of my time.

    Yeah, it looks like it's an OS scheduling issue, not an inherent flaw of the architecture.
     
  14. Riek

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    This could indeed be the case. But those fixes didn't really bring any noticeable performance gains, so nothing he can do about it.

    edit: i thought the difference was ok, but its rather big with close to 9%. Curious if windows 8 really improves for this by that much.
     
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    Debating AMD fanbois is a waste of time . But I have time to waste Mister nazi grammer cop. Trinity sucks as a CPU. It does GPU things better but not good enough . When its good enough I will never buy another GPU . HASWELL! You have a writing form I have seen befor . This is the second time.
     
  16. Homeles

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    Your English skills are deplorable, and I should not have to spend 10 minutes translating the piles of garbage that your spew. If you're going to try having a discussion on a forum, I strongly suggest you learn how to communicate your thoughts effectively.

    Also, where's your proof that I'm a fanboy?
     
  17. sm625

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    I dont even see that. I'm sure a Q6600 at 3.8GHz would lay waste to these chips at the same clock. Even at 3.3GHz, a Q6600 should be faster.
     
  18. Homeles

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    With that logic, a processor that can handle 1 million instructions per clock (which is ludicrously high) that refreshes at 1Hz is faster than a 1 instruction per clock processor refreshing at 3 billion Hz.

    IPC is completely irrelevant without taking clock speed into account. Instructions per second is the metric that matters.
     
  19. Nemesis 1

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    I don't need proof My animal instincts are strong . The sent of AMD is all over you. Nice attempt at diversion to the facts . Grammar nazi! You want to debate english skills I suggest you go to a british forum and debate your english skills with theirs. To declare IPC increase for Trinity at this point is a no go. We need AT review. Run the exact same benchmarks that was used for IVB review from there we can get a feel for trinities true compute performance. I don't care What CPUs people buy or use . But the constant lieing by AMD fanbois is wearing thin . 6 years and counting now . Nothing but lies.

    The constant trolling by you is also wearing thin. So knock it off
    -ViRGE
     
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  20. inf64

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    @ veri745
    You are correct.

    Are you looking at the same preview as I am?

    Sandra 2012: 1)Arithmetic : ~equal in Gflops and Trinity 24% faster in Gips;2) Multimedia: Float.mpix/s Trinity is 2.13x faster , Int.mpix/s Trinity is 2.15x faster;3)Cryptography: Trinity is 5.36x faster in AES256 and 1.3x faster in SHA256
    Adobe Photoshop CS5: Trinity 5800K is 23% faster
    Adobe Premiere Pro CS5.5: Trinity 5800K is 13% faster
    Adobe AF CS6: Trinity 5800K is 17.5% faster
    3dsmax 2012: Llano is 2.7% faster (within margin of error) <-fp heavy workload ,4 Llano fp units vs 2 PD FP units
    Solidworks 2010 : Llano is 1.8% faster (within margin of error) <-fp heavy workload ,4 Llano fp units vs 2 PD FP units
    ABBY Finereader 10: Trinity 5800K is 12% faster
    Fritz: Llano is 3.4% faster <-fp heavy workload ,4 Llano fp units vs 2 PD FP units
    Visual Studio 2010: Llano is 4.4% faster
    Adobe Acrobat X: Trinity 5800K is 55% faster
    Mainconcept: Trinity 5800K is 10% faster
    Handbrake: Trinity 5800K is 6.2% faster
    Lame: Trinity 5800K is 21% faster
    iTunes: Trinity 5800K is 18% faster
    Winzip: Trinity 5800K is 15% faster
    Winrar: Trinity 5800K is 20% faster
    7-zip: Trinity 5800K is 7% faster
    OpenCL: Winzip(equal),Luxmark(Trinity 5800K is 22% faster)

    Average adv. for Trinity 5800K (versus 3850 @2.9Ghz): 15% without Sisoft sandra and ~22% with Sisoftsandra results. Without Fritz and sisoft sandra,so only real world workloads, 5800K is ~16% faster than 3850 @ 2.9Ghz.
    As for OCing,I googled a bit and most reviewers got results between 3.6 and 3.8Ghz from their 3870K samples with 3.8Ghz having stability issues in most cases(being barely stable with air cooling methods). So it's safe to assume 3.7Ghz for 3870K is practical limit for air cooling.
    On the other hand,with this early platform THG managed to get 4.5Ghz out of Tirnity while AMD claims that with their (more mature/stable?) system they have managed 4.8Ghz,which IMO is very likely to end up being the limit for air cooling. So ~4.8Ghz vs 3.7Ghz on air cooling. 4.8Ghz is around 20% faster than stock 5800K which usually runs at 4Ghz due to Turbo. 3.7Ghz on Oced Llano is 27% faster than 3850. So in the end,the OCed 5800K @ 4.8Ghz should be around 10% faster (according to THG numbers above) than 3870K @ 3.7Ghz. Llano on average has 17% higher IPC than Trinity and 6% higher IPC than Phenom II. In turn, Phenom II has ~11% higher IPC than Piledriver and 20% higher IPC than Bulldozer. Piledriver has around 10-15% (depending on benchmark) higher IPC than Bulldozer,or closer to ~10% on average.

    To summarize,5800K @ max OC (~4.8Ghz estimated;on par with FX4100's OC results ) is still better option than 3870K @ max OC (3.7Ghz based on online reviews with air cooling). Difference is around 10% in CPU tests. GPU portion is also overclockable in both CPUs and one is to expect that Trinity will hold its lead or extend it to more than 30% with max. OC on both CPUs.
     
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  21. Homeles

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    What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, Since you refuse to provide proof that I'm an AMD fanboy, your assertion can be dismissed.

    The funny thing is, I agree with you. We do need a more thorough review. I was just destroying your ridiculous claim that there wasn't anything showing IPC increases in this review, when Tom's specifically addressed that issue.

    There's no lies here. Just just ignorance -- and loads of coming from you.
     
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    My first impression from this preview is a bitter disappointment. Still relies on high clock to be relevant. Mini-Netburst, all over again. But let's wait for the retail samples first :)
     
  24. Homeles

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    If the end result (high clock + low IPC) ends up being faster, what's the problem with it? We're not even a year into the Bulldozer era from AMD... it's too early to chalk it up to being a P4 disaster.
     
  25. Nemesis 1

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    Well The fact that you said I said there was no IPC increase is amusing . No where did I make such a claim . . But if your going to Figure IPC . Its has to be the same method that is used to determine Intel IPC increases. Clocks normalized and run the benchmarks ./ Its that simple . IVB was run against the same clocked SB . normalized. A 15%IPC increase for trinity is = to about a 10% increase in IVB.