Desert Eagle, is it worth it?

[trasko]

Get some quality locks and a baseball bat. Try not to kill anyone.

"I'll give it a shot"


trasko

 

[kgraeme]

Is it worth it? Depends on what you're going to do with it. If it's to shoot: no. If it's to stick in your pants and impress the boys: yes.

If you really want a big gun that's really made to shoot people, look at the H&K SOCOM Mk23. It's got a bad rap for being too big and clunky, but it's a nice tool. Actually designed for use unlike the DE.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Yeah there are some mis-conceptions about the DE. It really doesn't have that much kick. It's gas operated instead of recoil blow back. Add the mammoth weight (like 4 lbs unloaded) and it's more managable. The rounds are usually compared to a hot 9mm round like kamiam said. The 50ae round is a bit hotter, but wouldn't blow your socks off. I can think of 4 rounds off the top of my head that are hotter. Even some that aren't as big but would be rougher because they would be in a revolver or recoil blow back.

Glenn1, it's been moved back to the US. It was made by IMI but is branded in the US as Magnum Research and should still be made. Unfortunately there are only 2 ammo makers out there of the 50ae. IMI itself, and someone else who I can't think of at the moment...They are both known for being fairly dirty rounds. The guns require quite a bit of cleaning and produce a lot of flash.

It's also one of the most accurate guns straight out of the box. Granted it's not as nice as a SV or a Wilson, but it gets the job done and turns heads at the range.

They even have 14" match barrels for it now. Haven't seen one of those yet. Just the 10"

 

[LordMaul]

Yeah there are some mis-conceptions about the DE. It really doesn't have that much kick. It's gas operated

Hm, what a coincidence! So is mine!

* wink wink *

 

[glenn1]

Glenn1, it's been moved back to the US. It was made by IMI but is branded in the US as Magnum Research and should still be made.

Point remains that the manufacturing isn't as settled as it should be. If it has been moved back to stateside production, that means it will have been run on three different manufacturing lines in 3 different locations over the last 5 years or so. I'm not sure that's a good recipe for success.

It's also one of the most accurate guns straight out of the box. Granted it's not as nice as a SV or a Wilson, but it gets the job done and turns heads at the range.

Talking about accuracy in a handgun is somewhat of a fools errand anyway. Police shooting situations have pretty much shown that it wouldn't matter if a handgun groups 1 inch or 5 at 25 yards, as even at typical ranges (7 yards) the hit-miss ratio is pretty abysmal. It's not like comparing hunting rifles where a single MOA difference can be huge. If accuracy was my be-all-end-all metric, i'd never shoot anything but my .270 Winchester.

 

[desktopsilver]

OK HERE IS THE REAL DEAL IVE FIRED A .50 CAL DESERT EAGLE and it was way bad.....deadly acurate and going to drop what ever is coming at you "BEFORE" it gets to you...my home defence wepon would definatly be a desert eagel,,,,,,it felt abit big in my hand ,wasent that comfortable ,,,,didnt recoil that much i thaught,was very acurate at about 30 feet ,,,,i lived in bear country"alaska" for a while and people would use slugs in there shotguns to drop a bear"big guy"before they got to you,,,,,,,,,,i think a slug would go through a wall,,,,,,maybee some kind of shot load would drop a person ,,,,before they stabbed you ,,,but why take a chance just go get your .50 cal eagle and be a popular guy at the range ,,,,i was at a pistol range in las vegas ,were i rented this gun and every one else was shooting and the sound was like boom,boom,then i would shoot and it would go BOOOOOM,BOOOOM as i fired,,,and some peoples heads would turn...

 

[Fatt]

...there are places where the Desert Eagle is actually preferred for home defense,namely BEAR COUNTRY I've heard that in places like Alaska some actually prefer it over a rifle...

There are people trying to compensate for small penii in Alaska as well.

A handgun round, ANY handgun round is puny compared to a rifle round.
I've personally put a half dozen .45 acp rounds (military ball ammo) into someone and not had him go down.
When you are looking to not just make a fatla shot but put a large animal DOWN you need horsepower.

People looking to defend themselves from bears are going to carry either a rifle, preferably 308/30-06 or larger or a shotgun loaded with slugs.

If they are going to insist on a pistol they'll carry a redhawk, casull or something along those lines. But the oldtimers tend to carry long guns.

 

[boi]

I've personally put a half dozen .45 acp rounds (military ball ammo) into someone and not had him go down.

Damn, where was this? I suppose he was on drugs.




:Q

 

[desktopsilver]

most people who carrid the pistol for bear protection did it as a better than nothing type of armorment,, have it on your hip while you are carrying a fishing pole and tackle.,,,,,,some hunting parties would carry it as a second line of defense for close range repeated fire scenarios, have a rifle over your sholder and a pistol on your hip,,, it"s,powerfull enough to crack a bears skull....the 30/06 is still king or the 300 winchester,,,,,,im just hearing all this of course i dont go bear hunting.....44 mag 41,mag,sounds appropriate as wellbut nothing beats a nice shot ,slug,shot ,slug,shot load in a shotgun

 

[andylawcc]

whao, i too am shocked at the diversity of knowledge in the forum,

anyway, I have one question that I have to ask, (first off, I have ZeRo knowledge on guns other than some experience in playing with Rogue Spear as I do know what a DE is)

so why shotgun? why is it preferred for home defense? won't a long shotgun be quite un-wieldy and un-manageable? I mean, if the thieve charges at you, you fired, missed, you will have less time to cock it back and reload and fire compare to a pistol.
what if you are ducking under the table and want to fire? you can simply point the gun out and shoot, where as with a shotgun you will have to use both hands to point the gun.


also, many of you said a shotgun is prefferable coz its an "extension of your body" I don't quite understand that too, what does that mean?




and hehee, Jhu, that was one kickass Movie

 

[fatbaby]

Originally posted by: andylawcc
whao, i too am shocked at the diversity of knowledge in the forum,

anyway, I have one question that I have to ask, (first off, I have ZeRo knowledge on guns other than some experience in playing with Rogue Spear as I do know what a DE is)

so why shotgun? why is it preferred for home defense? won't a long shotgun be quite un-wieldy and un-manageable? I mean, if the thieve charges at you, you fired, missed, you will have less time to cock it back and reload and fire compare to a pistol.
what if you are ducking under the table and want to fire? you can simply point the gun out and shoot, where as with a shotgun you will have to use both hands to point the gun.


also, many of you said a shotgun is prefferable coz its an "extension of your body" I don't quite understand that too, what does that mean?




and hehee, Jhu, that was one kickass Movie

because when mr. crookie breaks your window at 2 am, you will wakeup very disoriented and won't have pinpoint accuracy...

edit: and if you somehow miss mr. crookie when he's 15 ft. away with a shotgun, maybe you shouldn't be handling firearms?

 

[Tallgeese]

Originally posted by: fatbaby
because when mr. crookie breaks your window at 2 am, you will wakeup very disoriented and won't have pinpoint accuracy...

3 Reasons Why Shotguns Are Better Than Sex
Point #1 - No (or at least very little) aiming necessary.
Point #2 - Shotguns put very big holes in people.
Point #3 - People (in general) are VERY intimidated by shotguns (see Point #2)

 

[IgoByte]

Why would you want to have a handgun like that? Unless you're a collector or you simply love this particular gun, I see no point.

if you want something for self defense, the key is that it's something you can ge tused to, so that when you're in panicked state you don't forget it. Most people, and women in particular, actually forget their hand gun when it comes to self defense. I suggest something small, compact, comfortable and accurate. I'd definitely choose something with a laser of some sort. It's uncomfortable getting shot from any gun, and any one will kill.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: glenn1

Glenn1, it's been moved back to the US. It was made by IMI but is branded in the US as Magnum Research and should still be made.

Point remains that the manufacturing isn't as settled as it should be. If it has been moved back to stateside production, that means it will have been run on three different manufacturing lines in 3 different locations over the last 5 years or so. I'm not sure that's a good recipe for success.

It's also one of the most accurate guns straight out of the box. Granted it's not as nice as a SV or a Wilson, but it gets the job done and turns heads at the range.

Talking about accuracy in a handgun is somewhat of a fools errand anyway. Police shooting situations have pretty much shown that it wouldn't matter if a handgun groups 1 inch or 5 at 25 yards, as even at typical ranges (7 yards) the hit-miss ratio is pretty abysmal. It's not like comparing hunting rifles where a single MOA difference can be huge. If accuracy was my be-all-end-all metric, i'd never shoot anything but my .270 Winchester.

IME, cops cant intentionally shoot themselves in the foot. Their aim, on average, is that bad. I've bet cops at the range 10+ times, and never lost. I'm a good pistol shot, but I'm not perfect, especially when using someone else's gun, which is how it happens most of the time. All it should take is having 1 decent opponent and a flier on my behalf and thats a loss. But cops are all over the target at 10 yards at the range, whether there is no pressure or just a little ($20).

 

[Fatt]

IME, cops cant intentionally shoot themselves in the foot. Their aim, on average, is that bad. I've bet cops at the range 10+ times, and never lost. I'm a good pistol shot, but I'm not perfect, especially when using someone else's gun, which is how it happens most of the time. All it should take is having 1 decent opponent and a flier on my behalf and thats a loss. But cops are all over the target at 10 yards at the range, whether there is no pressure or just a little ($20).

I have a very good friend on the NYPD who is a firearms instructor and does qualification tests for the cops.

He confirms that an amazingly high percentage of cops couldn't hit the broad side of a barn even if they were standing inside of it.

 

[BigJohnKC]

Originally posted by: kamiam

BigJohnKC
I have a friend who told me about firing the .50 cal DE on a range. He said he was warned about the recoil, but didn't think it would be as bad as it was. He said he planted his feet as instructed, pressed forward when squeezing the trigger, and the gun recoiled so hard it almost hit him in the face. Now this guy is 6'2" and built like a tank, and if the recoild from a .50 cal DE can almost knock him over, it just might be a little big for you.

your 6'2" friend must be a "wimp" then, the story in the Desert Eagle is, that its so massive, it soaks up the recoil of the shell...feels like shooting a 9mm...there are places where the Desert Eagle is actually preferred for home defense,namely BEAR COUNTRY I've heard that in places like Alaska some actually prefer it over a rifle, for a smallish person who might not like the size or recoil, these are good altenatives...if you can pick it up and hold it steady, you can pretty much shoot it

Bullsh!t. Ever fired one yourself, or is your knowledge book knowledge? This dude I talked about is one tough mf (prison guard), and if he tells me the DE .50 cal recoils hard enough to surprise him and make him look the fool, I'll believe him over you any day.

 

[seti920]

Originally posted by: andylawcc


so why shotgun? why is it preferred for home defense? won't a long shotgun be quite un-wieldy and un-manageable?

also, many of you said a shotgun is prefferable coz its an "extension of your body" I don't quite understand that too, what does that mean?

My turn to butt in again.
extension of body - use it so much that you know instinctively how to use it. So that you're not fighting with it, fumbling with it or operating it incorrectly.

Long guns for home defense, see this is where things get dicey. As far as I'm concerned, if there's someone trying to steal my TV, they're welcome to it. I'll make sure my bedroom deadbolt is locked, call the police non emergency number, grab my 870 and take a seat. No panic. But nothing gets through that door.

I don't intend to try house clearing if it's just someone who wants my stuff. Not worth it.
So since I'm not going to be sneaking around trying to be a mall ninja in my own home, the relative size of a sig P226 v. Remington 870 is a moot point.


I'd also like to say that the cops in my neck of the woods are by and large horrible shots. They shoot up the walls and ceiling of my range during qualification. Not intentionally, they're just THAT BAD. They miss a 5'x4' target at 25 feet. Scary stuff...

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Man, and I thought a 12" grouping at 150 yards with a 30.06 was bad!

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: fatbaby


because when mr. crookie breaks your window at 2 am, you will wakeup very disoriented and won't have pinpoint accuracy...

edit: and if you somehow miss mr. crookie when he's 15 ft. away with a shotgun, maybe you shouldn't be handling firearms?

At 15 ft from a 12 gauge 18" barrel shotgun the spread of buck shot or bird shot is only 2 or 3 inches, max. Get a standard 24, 26 or 28 inch barrel, and it's even less.

 

[Hammer]

I was thinking shelly, if you do get the garand, and you do plan on using it for home defense, might as well get a bayonet attachment for it as well.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: hammer09
I was thinking shelly, if you do get the garand, and you do plan on using it for home defense, might as well get a bayonet attachment for it as well.

Plus the grenade launcher

I'm working on a Springfield and a H&R Garand and getting them to 100% same parts instead of mixmasters. Since the Garand is preban (duh) you can have all the goodies on it. Plan on doing the Springfield as a showpiece type deal. Garand+M4 or M8 bayonet (gotta find the right year)+M7 grenade launcher+M15 grenade sight+M31 demilled/practice grenade. I'd like to add the M3 night vision sight to it, but they are extremely rare and extremely expensive. Or better yet get the M1C which was the sniper variant with the night vision. Too bad the money would buy a decent car

 

[Pliablemoose]

If you're into collecting the DE's & Garands are great, I like functional stuff, so I stick with Glock, Savage, Taurus, etc, they're tools, everything has a purpose.

Unfortunately, Ohio has no Concealed Carry law & none are planned Packing.org

You need to vote the liberal gun hating scum out of office.

Ohioans for Concealed Carry

 

[Mister T]

I've personally put a half dozen .45 acp rounds (military ball ammo) into someone and not had him go down.

Details please...